Biggest paintball gimmick of all time

[cockerpunk]

DLX Audrey was Rebeca from Smart Parts.

not half bad looking either, even though she got pissed when i said so on PBN. after i said that she started calling me "cockpunk" and i think even just called me "cock" once. anyway, if her goal was to only get the 14 year olds hearts (and other things) pumping, she could easily just posted pics of herself.

but she and her plan was a bit more sinister, to try to distance Smart Parts from DLX like the original claim that DLX and SP were not the same company. notice, now no one makes that claim, and even goes far enough to say it was never true.

Smart Parts and there antics will never change.

[SSP-SheiK]

DLX Audrey was Rebeca from Smart Parts.

not half bad looking either, even though she got pissed when i said so on PBN. after i said that she started calling me "cockpunk" and i think even just called me "cock" once. anyway, if her goal was to only get the 14 year olds hearts (and other things) pumping, she could easily just posted pics of herself.

but she and her plan was a bit more sinister, to try to distance Smart Parts from DLX like the original claim that DLX and SP were not the same company. notice, now no one makes that claim, and even goes far enough to say it was never true.

Smart Parts and there antics will never change.

amen brother


i didnt read every post so forgive me if this has been stated...



Flatlines/Apex barrels = accuracy @ range


depending on who you ask...

the Q-loader


oh and one more i think will be shot down before even getting a prototype...

[kwood]

i will second the crossfire ramrod
i remember the promos for it and barrel was all covered in sludge and grass
"You can even shoot through this!!!!"

[MK3]

J & J Ceramic Barrels are self cleaning

[Watcher]

J & J Ceramic Barrels are self cleaning

They aren't self cleaning, but the teflon impregnation DOES help them shoot through breaks.

I used one on my 98 for the longest time before I got my Lapco. Did shoot very well, though I didn't care for the porting distribution and finish.


So, not really a gimmic since it does do it's job, IMO...

[CatoRockwell]

Interesting subject

The biggest gimmick of all time?

Easy to answer, buy anything from SPECIAL OPS PAINTBALL

They are the only company aside from Smart Parts (pardon my french) that assume they are somehow the kings of paintball. Heck they tried to copyright the word: Woodsball

If you buy any of their overpriced you will quickly find that it does not stand up to expectations:

Their clothing wears out quickly. Aside from the fusion pants.
Their air through stocks are notorious for leakage issues.
The list goes on and on

Aside from all this, the reason they are the biggest gimmick is that the lure new paintballers into believing that they somehow aren't true woodsball/scenario players unless every damn piece of equipment was bought through them.

They attempt to look like the rebel company from all the speedballers, but all they've accomplished is turning woodsball into speedball. Maybe this isn't the case in other areas of the country, out in the fields I play however, speedballers are known for a few simple beliefs:

wiping is only cheating if your caught
My guns shoots faster = I'm a better player
If I don't win then you
The more money I spend on gear the better player I am
etc...

Anyway, SO has managed to market woodsball in such a way that now all those ******** are now into woodsball. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I still remember the good old days when woodsball was about having a good time regardless of equipment or who won.

[stoffa15]

The biggest gimmick of all time?

Easy to answer, buy anything from SPECIAL OPS PAINTBALL

They are the only company aside from Smart Parts (pardon my french) that assume they are somehow the kings of paintball. Heck they tried to copyright the word: Woodsball

If you buy any of their overpriced you will quickly find that it does not stand up to expectations:

Their clothing wears out quickly. Aside from the fusion pants.
Their air through stocks are notorious for leakage issues.
The list goes on and on

Aside from all this, the reason they are the biggest gimmick is that the lure new paintballers into believing that they somehow aren't true woodsball/scenario players unless every damn piece of equipment was bought through them.

They attempt to look like the rebel company from all the speedballers, but all they've accomplished is turning woodsball into speedball. Maybe this isn't the case in other areas of the country, out in the fields I play however, speedballers are known for a few simple beliefs:

wiping is only cheating if your caught
My guns shoots faster = I'm a better player
If I don't win then you
The more money I spend on gear the better player I am
etc...

Anyway, SO has managed to market woodsball in such a way that now all those ******** are now into woodsball. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I still remember the good old days when woodsball was about having a good time regardless of equipment or who won.

don't forget if you have a different marker from me, I'm going to pwn you!!!!!

but the biggest gimmick in paintball right now is Mike from Techpb. Sorry Cockerpunk but I have seen you contradict what he's said in his earlier videos."go out and get a .693 barrel its what i use" its so much more consistent then any other bore size. "I always overbore, less barrel breaks" Now Cockerpunk has tested all these myths that Mike from techpb gas claimed and his results has been totally different.overboring does not cause less barrel breaks+ its less efficient.

Here Mike test my $1300 Lux. it shoots in all the modes like every other marker,it has eyes,it field strips and finally it talks to you.So why buy a supergun???? so you can be cool like everyone in my vids.let me give you an example of what I'm taiking about. Last year Mike said either get yourself a Halo or a velocity, jr. This year Get yourself a DYE Rotor, Prophecy or a pinokio. now what do I do when you tld me to buy a velocity Jr. last year Mike???? Does windows do the job as vista??????

Idk if you guys here on AO have watched his vids on youtube. I honestly think that he's part of the problem in paintball these days.Instead of focussing on the skills in paintball 75% of his vids are about products.Now he wasn't always like this Idk know if you've been following his rise in the paintball world but once he started making it big its been all about the money.Where is Tyger when you need him???????Please Mr. Rubin get well soon so I don't have to tune in to here some kid ask what hopper should I get or what gun is the best. Cocker Punk I really respect YOUR work that you doing with paintballkeep the vids coming.


so yeh biggest gimmick in paintball Mike from techpb and hispaintball caddy... wtf, why do you need a paintball caddy??? I put paint from the bag to a container to put in a pod???? Are you serious????


My final thought here guys,Last year at Cousins Big game in long island I saw the weirdest thing.It was an eggy with a dye lock lid attached to the front of it. I asked the guy using it and he told me that it was a prototype of a hopper coming out very soon.I put two and two together when I went to Stalingrad at Skirmish. I met the owner of pinokio and really got a good look at the loader.and its the evolution 3 with a different body. I won't say everything but I really had time to take in what this guy was telling me and came to a conclusion. In paintball,if you don't use what I'm using,and what the best players are using,you can't be on my level. Oh the Pinokio weighs 1.8 ounces lmao!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanx Mike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cockerpunk]

heres the deal with mike -

hes not doing videos for you or me. we have been around long enough to be able to judge for ourselves what is going on with new products and such.

hes doing the videos to spread the knowledge that people like us have learned over our many years of playing to the new generation of players. they are educational and give out the different tips and tricks us older guys already knew. and lets face it, alot of those tips and tricks are technical things.

so of course alot of us are like - whatever, and dont get it. but there are alot of us who see what mike is doing and while me might know as much, or do things differently then him, hes helping get new players up to speed. as long as he is promoting paintball for fun, playing clean and not cheating, and people listen, im a fan.


so you see, mike as a rule of thumb guy likes to give out hard and fast rules. thats fine, as long as you know that is just one way that works. as players mature however, they try new things, and can judge them for themselves.



now, you have seen how technically me and mike disagree alot.

thats fine. i have talked with him many times about why he disagrees, and even though all of this he gives us a place to host our testing, our videos, and is currently fund raising to give us a high speed video camera. he has said many times, that even if he disagrees with our tests, he wont censor us. if we offend a company in one of our tests, he wont censor us.

now, if you even watched a single one of my videos i am the exact opposite of the hard and fast rule guy. if you want ideal performance, your gonna have to work for it. we might give out recommendations, but im not going to say something like ".679 barrels are the best" cause in some cases they wont be. as a scientist thats dishonest, as an educator thats giving your students some place that you know works so they can have a good time.

[dark blade]

I agree with the fact that Mike is the biggest hoax/gimmick of all time. He makes videos on products but reviews very few ranges of products. With his reviews he reviews HIS favorites... not the BEST out there. Just one example is his review on packs. He did a review about NXE packs and CP packs, he completely left out other big names like invert, empire, proto, and dye. He did a review on markers and says they are extremely consistant when they fire at +/- 11. He says that his barrels he uses are the best because they are a 14 or 16 inch barrel and are overbored when you yourself (cockerpunk) have done scientific tests proving this wrong and there were scientific tests proving that anywhere between 10 and 14 inches length is optimal for efficiency and anything over 14 is actually bad.

I too am a scientist, i am a forensic scientist student and after taking many physics, chemistry, and (not relevant) biology courses, i am very logical in my thinking. I cannot stand mike when it comes to anything relevant to science or the physics of paintball. He is a complete hoax in this sense.

The only time i will listen to him is if he shows a review of a marker because then i (being a logical thinker) can actually take it for what i want and can see the facts. But, seeing as the paintball community is getting younger and are very impressionable and do not think scientifically, anything Mike says will be taken as a message from a god. He took a review of a tank and made it seem better than any other tank and made the blacked out parts and small size seem amazing. I have used a myth tank and have seen the smaller lighter blacked out tanks and they are only $10 more... i would never use a ninja tank because of the fact that they made regs for almost every other company out there which means they are essentially the exact same regs as all of the others out there.



Sorry mike, but you need to stop making videos, go play some with a pump... A LOT... and stop going through 22 cases of paint every week and making kids think its the only way to go. YOU ARE THE OFFICIAL GIMMICK... GOODBYE

[snoopay700]

i think you guys are overstating some of those.


For bolts: I have two for my nerve, one hole and another with 3 holes. There is a direct 20-30 FPS difference. Name it venturi if you want.

Barrels: Some of my guns work stellar on 14 + 16" lengths and get higher FPS than when I use 10 or 12". Call if what you will, i'm not selling anything I just know that I did my own testing with same paint/barrel back/tip (just diff length) and the I got 10-15 fps higher on the longer, I actually use the 16" on that gun bc of it. Now on my other guns I saw no difference or even negative FPS. Don't ask me why. I only shot each length with 20 pballs each, could be that. As I said I'm trying to prove anything here.


other stuff is gimmicks, but probably over 90% of all sales are gimmicks. For one reason or another they "work" better than something else.

The smart mag plus Open Vs closed bolt would be high on the list i think. Though I do like having open and closed bolt guns, plus mechanical and electro guns. That is NOT a gimmick, that is my shooting preference and how I enjoy shooting many different feeling/shooting markers. Saying one is better is the issue.

Venturis aren't as free flowing so of course they're gonna fluctuate the velocity, more open is better for efficiency too.

Longer barrels, without changing the pressure, will of course yield a higher velocity since it's being pushed for a longer time by the air.

However, these fluctuations in velocity mean nothing, because you still have to play at 280-300 fps, so in the end they really do nothing as far as that.

Now the magic box would really be coupled with low pressure i would think. That is by far the most widely used one, yeah it can have good aspects, but it's still a gimmick.

The most ridiculous gimmick i've seen? A bottle opener on the marker.

DLX Audrey still is a gimmick to a point, as someone is still posting under that name and posing as if audrey were real.

Oh and PMSTC, you said this a while back,, but watch what you say about the crown point! Haha, yeah, it's a gimmick but they look good, my favorite mag barrel because of that.

Closed bolt accuracy, undershot bolts or whatever, venturi bolts, the list of gimmicks goes on, but i have to agree that low pressure is probably the biggest one.

Oh yeah, and what the hell is that medusa thing, another electric self compressing marker?

EDIT: Oh yeah someone said something about HP and LP guns and if there's a difference in the air used, there shouldn't be with the same length barrel, they theoretically use the same number of moles of gas.

[Tao]

Biggest gimmick is 00, 01, 02, 03 markers. Markers somehow new and improved each year. Actually the customer is getting no value since they already know how much weight they can reduce etc, they just spread it out over several years...

[Tao]

Venturis aren't as free flowing so of course they're gonna fluctuate the velocity, more open is better for efficiency too.

Longer barrels, without changing the pressure, will of course yield a higher velocity since it's being pushed for a longer time by the air.

However, these fluctuations in velocity mean nothing, because you still have to play at 280-300 fps, so in the end they really do nothing as far as that.

Now the magic box would really be coupled with low pressure i would think. That is by far the most widely used one, yeah it can have good aspects, but it's still a gimmick.

The most ridiculous gimmick i've seen? A bottle opener on the marker.

DLX Audrey still is a gimmick to a point, as someone is still posting under that name and posing as if audrey were real.

Oh and PMSTC, you said this a while back,, but watch what you say about the crown point! Haha, yeah, it's a gimmick but they look good, my favorite mag barrel because of that.

Closed bolt accuracy, undershot bolts or whatever, venturi bolts, the list of gimmicks goes on, but i have to agree that low pressure is probably the biggest one.

Oh yeah, and what the hell is that medusa thing, another electric self compressing marker?

EDIT: Oh yeah someone said something about HP and LP guns and if there's a difference in the air used, there shouldn't be with the same length barrel, they theoretically use the same number of moles of gas.

longer barrels can slow down the ball once the gas expands to a certain point.

Also you will use less gas with less pressure. I can use more air from any paintball marker air chamber from my lungs and not get nearly the speed from it. Think about wind blowing on a ball too, not the same speed. Basically there is more energy contain in high pressure gas for the same molarity.

[Madmox]

Venturis aren't as free flowing so of course they're gonna fluctuate the velocity, more open is better for efficiency too.

Longer barrels, without changing the pressure, will of course yield a higher velocity since it's being pushed for a longer time by the air.

However, these fluctuations in velocity mean nothing, because you still have to play at 280-300 fps, so in the end they really do nothing as far as that.

Now the magic box would really be coupled with low pressure i would think. That is by far the most widely used one, yeah it can have good aspects, but it's still a gimmick.

The most ridiculous gimmick i've seen? A bottle opener on the marker.

DLX Audrey still is a gimmick to a point, as someone is still posting under that name and posing as if audrey were real.

Oh and PMSTC, you said this a while back,, but watch what you say about the crown point! Haha, yeah, it's a gimmick but they look good, my favorite mag barrel because of that.

Closed bolt accuracy, undershot bolts or whatever, venturi bolts, the list of gimmicks goes on, but i have to agree that low pressure is probably the biggest one.

Oh yeah, and what the hell is that medusa thing, another electric self compressing marker?

EDIT: Oh yeah someone said something about HP and LP guns and if there's a difference in the air used, there shouldn't be with the same length barrel, they theoretically use the same number of moles of gas.

"The most ridiculous gimmick i've seen? A bottle opener on the marker."
You say gimmick i say genius! LMAO!

[mr.mag218]

how is tech pb a gimmick? now im not defending tech pb but i don't see him as selling the product to the people so much as reviewing it and telling you what he thinks of said product. its my observation that when he says "i use this product" that all the kiddies want to go out and buy it. thats my interpretation of it anyway. because he says "i use this bore size because it works best" does not mean he's saying buy this size barrel because it is proven to be the best. he simply reviews it and says this is what he thinks of it.

i also like the fact that he goes out and tests the markers thoroughly before making a video review, as well as giving you the tank temp, hopper used, number of rounds per xxxx amount of psi. he only reviews products that the company will send him (from my understanding of the videos he always says "so and so won't send me a gun so no review on that", i don't believe he goes out and buys all of these guns or gear, beats the crap out of them then sells them on his site. that being said i think it corners what he reviews by a large margin because its simply marketing on the company's part to send him a marker, knowing thousands of kids watch his review. and if he's making money doing such a thing, good on him. i wish i could get paid to do something i love but hey not all of us strike gold on youtube.

the fact is he got lucky, made a few reviews and struck it big because people bought into what he was saying. MOST of which i have agreed with given that he is trying to make paintball a fun game to play again by welcoming newcomers instead of flaming them or supporting the agg concept of shooting them til they go home and sell all their gear.

scientifically i could care less about how the paintball exits the barrel. all i know is when i go out and pull the trigger, a paintball should soon ensue otherwise something is broke and i am unhappy. how much science goes into dodgeball? i understand the need for knowledge but bottom line is this is a game more than it is a science project.

that being said i have also watched him flame pbn, mcarterbrown, and other paintball sites/company's while preaching the fact that tech pb is not one of those community's and this has skewed my view a bit. i appreciate someone going out and testing products as well as promoting the sport and i can understand the aggravation of being flamed for doing something you love, but practice what you preach and be the bigger man. if someone wants to make a remark, dont tell them to "stfu, i can beat you at paintball, lets play for markers" be the bigger man and deal with the fact that the internet is a gateway for turds to run their mouths.

also, he only reviews products that the company will send him, i don't believe he goes out and buys all of these guns, beats the crap out of them then sends them back

[SOUP]

I wouldn't go as far to say that Mike is a Gimmick... He tests products and gives his opinion on them. If anything we need more people like him in our sport. I just don't see how you can call someone a gimmick for reviewing paintball stuff. Imo, If you don't like his reviews than do it yourself. Go spend thousands of dollars on gear, spend weeks testing the products, and give your opinion on it... sounds easy enough, right? no.

Mike helped get my younger brothers and their friends into paintball. His reviews led them into making some good choices gear wise.

I think the biggest gimmick in paintball was Smart parts in general.