That "random speedball marker"

[VVulfe]

LOL, thats classic and priceless. Mind if I Sig it.

I'd be honored

[steve_81]

...sigh.

Woodsball has it's "agglets" too. Same attitude, different gear obsessions.

They are more annoying then Speedball "agglets." I used to play at a field (Colors, in Fremont Michigan.) where there were tons of woodsball "agglets" they were total douche bags. But that was a few years ago.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Just as an observation, I don't think the 68 Automag was ever a "common" field rental marker. When it was introduced in the early 90's most places still used pumps (PMI Trracers and Tippman SL-68's). The move to semi's mostly favoured the Tippmanns. Pro-Ams (early) and Pro-Lites (mid-90s) Pro-carbines (briefly) andf then the M98's. The Automags were better, but also significantly more expensive than the Tippmans.

[TwilightG]

I could never understand why so many players hate on each others equipment. It's ridiculous really. Sure, there's markers or whatever out there that I wouldn't personally use but I certainly would not criticize or put someone else down for using it. This kind of attitude runs rampant at my local field and it's so annoying!!

Luckily most AO'ers are mature and above that but it just makes the whole pb community look bad and that much more difficult to introduce new players to the game.

[Sundown]

I could never understand why so many players hate on each others equipment. It's ridiculous really. Sure, there's markers or whatever out there that I wouldn't personally use but I certainly would not criticize or put someone else down for using it. This kind of attitude runs rampant at my local field and it's so annoying!!

Luckily most AO'ers are mature and above that but it just makes the whole pb community look bad and that much more difficult to introduce new players to the game.

Yeah exactly!
There seem to be a war going on in paintball of the woodsball Vs speedball and it's a shame as we are all paintball players... no matter what we play with.. even a paintball sling shot :)

Maybe patience will gather more wisdom out of everybody and we will all be part of one ''sport'' - Paintball.

wow.. that sounded cheesy

[Spider-TW]

I could never understand why so many players hate on each others equipment. It's ridiculous really. Sure, there's markers or whatever out there that I wouldn't personally use but I certainly would not criticize or put someone else down for using it. This kind of attitude runs rampant at my local field and it's so annoying!!

Luckily most AO'ers are mature and above that but it just makes the whole pb community look bad and that much more difficult to introduce new players to the game.

It's understandable for the latest and greatest gear. If you managed to convince yourself, and maybe your family, that you needed to spend a couple grand on equipment "that's not junk", you're pretty much stuck with thinking everything else is junk or realize you just blew a wad of cash that will leave no trace in a couple of years.

That, or without the cash to get what you want, you have to convince yourself that you already have the best.

[Hook]

Personally, I never judge anyone one based on their equipment. I've seen rental player seriously rock it out with a beaten, duck taped Tippmann 98.

Same goes for speedball agglets with hig ROF. "Spray and pray" isn't a skill, it's a waste of paint and money

So it all boils down to skill. Most of the time, equipment has lilttle do to in the equation.

[TwilightG]

I'm not even referring to speedball vs woodsball. that argument is just dumb to me (sorry to those that care) If it's a paintball marker, then you can play either style. You cannot argue that. as far as which style of play is better, it's all a matter of preference.

Even if I'm convinced that everyone else is playing w/ junky gear, I don't downplay them or their gear. A LOT of us all started with a Spyder (or knockoff) or some other lower-end markers (Stingray anyone?) but that's because it was either all we could afford or just didn't want to invest the money until we got serious about the game. There's still no reason to judge anyone's equipment.

ok.. i'm done ranting

[behemoth]

Nevermind.

[sffudapparel]

Personally, I never judge anyone one based on their equipment. I've seen rental player seriously rock it out with a beaten, duck taped Tippmann 98.

Same goes for speedball agglets with hig ROF. "Spray and pray" isn't a skill, it's a waste of paint and money

So it all boils down to skill. Most of the time, equipment has lilttle do to in the equation.

So true. My one friend still uses an old bright red spyder with a pink expansion chamber, gravity hopper and all. And he is one of the best players we play with, including people with mags, tippmanns, cockers, and everything inbetween. Been said so many times before but a gun is just an extention of a players skill

[Toll]

A5's are real woodsball guns....because they can be outfitted with stocks and superflous barrels that make them look like m16s...


An Ion certainly isnt a woodsball gun. The fact that its faster, smaller, lighter, quieter and has a well regulated air supply means nothing.

I ran into a bit of that issue earlier on in my day at a small scenario(ish) game on the weekend. Alot of guys with A5's and camo very cautious about having "some speedball guy" on their team (I was wearing some ancient system x pants and an old tshirt) who could clearly not comprehend the stealth and manuevering required to play out in the woods. As it turns out working at the field for years has given me the ability to negate camoflage and stealth by knowing which trees block line of sight to my speedball play'n self.


The guys who insist there is a difference between woodsball and speedball guns (one cannot be used for the other) are generally the same people you see wearing ghillesuits with the wrong colours and insist everyone call them Alpha leader. Or the guys who buy 08 egos nib and then never, ever play with them for fear of scratching the anno.

Edit :

Just wanted to tack this gem on :

http://www.pbreview.com/paintball-videos/video.php?embed=tvbW0yOgtTUCiUCmyq0iUthLkHX3iRAT

[pyrodragon]

so AT(anti tank) markers are not suppose to be used to bunker people in speedball, right? i better tell my friend Dan that. wonder what all those hardcore woodsballers think about my Z-grip RT Pro mag, espeically when they get taken out while i'm fallening flat on the ground? What about when i ddecide to play with my WWA freak tip? see ya on the field

[B-Pow]

A5's are real woodsball guns....because they can be outfitted with stocks and superflous barrels that make them look like m16s...


An Ion certainly isnt a woodsball gun. The fact that its faster, smaller, lighter, quieter and has a well regulated air supply means nothing.

I ran into a bit of that issue earlier on in my day at a small scenario(ish) game on the weekend. Alot of guys with A5's and camo very cautious about having "some speedball guy" on their team (I was wearing some ancient system x pants and an old tshirt) who could clearly not comprehend the stealth and manuevering required to play out in the woods. As it turns out working at the field for years has given me the ability to negate camoflage and stealth by knowing which trees block line of sight to my speedball play'n self.


The guys who insist there is a difference between woodsball and speedball guns (one cannot be used for the other) are generally the same people you see wearing ghillesuits with the wrong colours and insist everyone call them Alpha leader. Or the guys who buy 08 egos nib and then never, ever play with them for fear of scratching the anno.

Edit :

Just wanted to tack this gem on :

http://www.pbreview.com/paintball-vi...0iUthLkHX3iRAT

Last time I went to play I was wearing player paintball pants, a light grey longsleeved tee shirt, and an off white "bowling shirt". I call it my douchebag uniform...and I play the part being loud and obnoxious.

I've crawled undetected through brush in that outfit...and it worked. people were shocked when the game ended and I emerged from the thigh deep brush with the hooked seeds stuck to my clothes and such. the speedball-ish players were shocked I tried that...and the cammo-ed out woodsball players were shocked it worked.

By half way through the day I had both styles of players keeping an eye on me. Mostly because I was being loud and annoying in douchey clothes, part because I could really use soft and hard cover well (when I needed to or decided to...I spent a lot of time in the open yelling out other players positions or just being a "designated idiot"), and because that day I was really on with my aim with a screaming death 06 intimidator.

Sometimes I love this game.

[Spider-TW]

Edit :

Just wanted to tack this gem on :

http://www.pbreview.com/paintball-vi...0iUthLkHX3iRAT

Ugh. I'll have to add "10 round burst mode" to my warning phrase list.

On paint usage, I guess he's never used the technique of shooting out all of the foliage to eliminate a single player in 'woodsball'.

[warbeak2099]

Even older woodsball players can be idiots sometimes. This weekend there were two guys decked out in full BDU's, Spec Ops vests, and Spec Ops'd A-5's. They cheated more than anyone at the field.

I was there with a group from my school as a way of introducing them to the sport. Several of them said they probably wouldn't try it again because of those older guys. They were about 40-45 and should definitely have known better.

One of them in particular didn't accept the "surrender" rule and blasted one of the noobs that I was this from 10 feet away with his RT'd A-5. The kid had called for surrender and the old timer turned around and demanded that the kid instead surrender because he was just some noob with a rental 98. When the kid refused, he got hosed.

I've actually seen more cases of this while playing woodsball than when I play speedball. In fact, the speedballers on the woodsball field are always better behaved.