Heckler & Koch suing paintball companies

[JAM]

H&K makes some of the nicest polymer pistols out there, the SEALs love them...

SEALs are issued Sig Sauer 226's in 9mm

If I could make a personal recomendation I would get a .45 or 10mm, when the zombies are coming straight at you you can't rely on your accuracy to hit the heart on the first hit, take some with enough juice to keep them down.

Everyone knows you have to shoot zombies in the HEAD.

[SCpoloRicker]

SEALs are issued Sig Sauer 226's in 9mm

Er, as of a few years ago, SEALs were shooting Mark 23s and USPs to my knowledge.

/meme alert
//I used to work for [the SEALs], so I'm really getting a kick out of a lot of these replies...

[Lohman446]

Now that everybody has given their opinions here are some facts.

The energy equation is 1/2*M*V^2=E

The average pistol fight is 3 yards

An average .45 ACP loaded with a 230gr** round is going about 900 fps the energy for that cartridge is going to be 511 ft-Lbs (it has the energy to lift 511 lbs to a height of 1 foot.

An average 10mm Auto round loaded with a 180 gr round is going about 1250 fps it has the energy of 624 ft-lbs.

An average .40 S&W with the same 180 gr round is going about 950 Fps it has the energy of 361 ft-lbs

An Average 9mm Luger with a 124 gr round is going about 1075 fps, it has the energy of 315 ft-lbs

An average .44 magnum loaded with a 240 gr round is going about 1300 fps, it has the energy of 900 ft-lbs

Gee, statements of ME, what a novel concept. I think your "average" 45 230 grain going at 900FPS is a bit off. Corbons +P spec on a 230 grain is 950FPS resulting in 461 ft lbs of energy. Corbon numbers being what they are list 115 grain 9MM in the 434 ft lbs

Hornady lists 230 grains loaded to standard to be doing 850FPS - the equation puts that out to 369ft lbs. 230 @ 900 = 414

Not to call ME the end all be all, but I figured it was at least a formula that could be used to show how far off the 45 / 9MM debate was. They are more alike than different

[Slippy]

Gee, statements of ME, what a novel concept. I think your "average" 45 230 grain going at 900FPS is a bit off. Corbons +P spec on a 230 grain is 950FPS resulting in 461 ft lbs of energy. Corbon numbers being what they are list 115 grain 9MM in the 434 ft lbs

Hornady lists 230 grains loaded to standard to be doing 850FPS - the equation puts that out to 369ft lbs. 230 @ 900 = 414

Not to call ME the end all be all, but I figured it was at least a formula that could be used to show how far off the 45 / 9MM debate was. They are more alike than different

These numbers were straight out of Horandy's Reloading Handbook, however its only the 4th edition and your numbers may be more accurate

[cockerpunk]

the extra energy is worthless if it goes into the wall behind the target. which is more then likely will unless your target is waring armor. even 9mm will over penetrate.

[DevilMan]

Guns R Bad mmmmkay....

[Loguzzzzzz]

Guns R Bad mmmmkay....

Guns are not bad. . . People are bad!

[DevilMan]

Guns are not bad. . . People are bad!

And since guns are used by people that makes them bad....

That's why cats, dogs, and ducks are GOOD!!!


Cause they don't use guns....

DM

[Loguzzzzzz]

And since guns are used by people that makes them bad....
DM

Does this mean that spoons are bad too since people use those as well?

For that matter, since people, dogs cats and ducks use water, doesn't that make dogs,cats and ducks bad?