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[Nick28]

I personally think it's about time for a web site overhaul.

Earlier this year I purchased a RT ULE from AGD and honestly, it's not worth the $500 when compared to what else is on the market. I've got this baby rocking 15 bps at the moment~~ But if I hadn't owned a mag "back in the day" I would have never even bothered. I understand that it's a small business and they got to turn a profit. I just think AGD would benefit from a better web site.

There are still parts not pictured in the online store.

Video.

Maybe it's because of my background in video production and web sites and the fact that I'm not a good gun tech that this bothers me.

I feel really passionate about paintball and I have a soft spot in my heart for AGD. I want to see AGD grow and I would love to help.

The E-Mag was fun but it's big and heavy on a speed ball field.

Maybe, a good electronic frame and marketing and AGD could be back on top.

With Tom's recent comments about watching and waiting, I got a little excited.

Tournament paintball might be a joke at the moment. But I don't feel it has to be.

I have a lot of thoughts, feelings and ideas about the sport of paintball. AGD has a damn good gun. I just want to help take paintball to the next level.

[Chace]

The Lawsuit Restrictions!

I personally think it's about time for a web site overhaul.

Earlier this year I purchased a RT ULE from AGD and honestly, it's not worth the $500 when compared to what else is on the market. I've got this baby rocking 15 bps at the moment~~ But if I hadn't owned a mag "back in the day" I would have never even bothered. I understand that it's a small business and they got to turn a profit. I just think AGD would benefit from a better web site.

There are still parts not pictured in the online store.

Video.

Maybe it's because of my background in video production and web sites and the fact that I'm not a good gun tech that this bothers me.

I feel really passionate about paintball and I have a soft spot in my heart for AGD. I want to see AGD grow and I would love to help.

The E-Mag was fun but it's big and heavy on a speed ball field.

Maybe, a good electronic frame and marketing and AGD could be back on top.

With Tom's recent comments about watching and waiting, I got a little excited.

Tournament paintball might be a joke at the moment. But I don't feel it has to be.

I have a lot of thoughts, feelings and ideas about the sport of paintball. AGD has a damn good gun. I just want to help take paintball to the next level.

SP prevents them from making COMPLETE electropneumatic markers. SO why not make something like an Electro frame? Kinda similar to the Hyper frame?

[maniacmechanic]

I personally think it's about time for a web site overhaul.

Earlier this year I purchased a RT ULE from AGD and honestly, it's not worth the $500 when compared to what else is on the market. I've got this baby rocking 15 bps at the moment~~ But if I hadn't owned a mag "back in the day" I would have never even bothered. I understand that it's a small business and they got to turn a profit. I just think AGD would benefit from a better web site.

Probley should have started out a little differently

[BigEvil]

Probley should have started out a little differently

^

[Nick28]

Yeah

I understand how you feel, but $500 is still $500. That's a weeks pay for me. 40 hours of busting my , to pay for a gun. This may seem ridiculous but any gun sold in 2009 without a clamping feedneck and an on/off asa is... well.

Let me put it this way. I just bought a 09 Ford Focus. I shopped around for months. Compared to the Chevy Cobalt it was no contest. For $1000 less I got standard features like power locks, power windows. I test drove the out of every car in me price range. I didn't want a Ford, but after driving one.

This past weekend I was at my local pro-shop, and handled a Planet Eclipse 2009 Ego SL94. Worth 1800? IDK. I get to pick up and fire a lot of guns. I've had my RT ULE for about 6 months and I'm about ready to do a video review. It takes a lot of of on field play to judge a marker.

[punkncat]

Actually Nick, if you take a moment to think about it. Right now you are sitting on a better INVESTMENT in paintball equipment than you could have gotten with almost any other paintball marker on the market costing two and a half times that much.

If you had spent the $1200 on an Ego or a DM, the moment you walked out of the store with it, you could not have turned them for 2-300$ less. Not even to mention what you could get for it a year or two down the line. Looked at how much a DM3 sells for right now? They were $1000 markers just a few years ago, and you can buy great looking upgraded ones for just over $100 any day of the week. The rest are on that same exact path.

You hold on to that Mag for a couple of years, keep it in good shape, and you will be able to sell it easily for a hundred and a quarter less than you payed, and that is IF you don't feel like parting it out, which generally can make you even more.

Mags may not be the fashion statement they once were, but quality is quality. AGD has not relied on marketing presence for a good number of years. What keeps them going is not only customer loyalty from discerning players, but from word of mouth. Marketing take a lot of overhead. So, that would have to be added on to the seemingly expensive cost of a marker that, as we have discussed, holds its value. But a price that many uneducated, or unknowing buyers mistakenly discount as too high already.

The Mag may not offer the flash, and this hype-ed value that others seem to have, but the reality is that down the long haul, through all manner of use and abuse, the mag is going to stand up to it, and keep on ticking. It is the kind of marker that you honestly could pass on to another generation...as has been done with many of them already.

The only field that the mag is "apparently" lacking in is the modern tourney scene. Not that the markers cannot be capable, mind you....But that scene, according to all indications, is falling hard and likely will not be a consideration in a few years anyway. So what will an Ego 12 do for you then?..........

[Nick28]

Punkncat, I hear you. I know, you know, and AO knows. But does anyone outside this forum? I'm not trying to attack AGD, but not realizing the issues when it comes to outsiders is a misstep.

I have a strong feeling that I'm going to spend the rest of this thread defending my opinions. I really hope that doesn't happen.

I have been laughed at when I told people I spent $500 on a mag. Image is everything.

I love my ULE but there's no way I'm going to be able to convince the 10 other people I play with to drop 500 for what I got in the box.

[punkncat]

Oh, I hear ya. I spent the past several months after I sold my last Mag setup trying my very best to talk myself out of them. I picked one up, played with it today, and it was like having a good friend back in my hands again. I didn't use it for the tourney scrimmage, but when I broke it out for open play everyone was standing around oohing and ahhing about it. One of the guys even asked me to find him one.

[TwilightG]

You get what you pay for...

The Automag is probably one of the best and at the same time the most under-appreciated mech. semi-auto marker out there now.

As it stands, mechs are tough to sell nowadays with entry-level electro's being so dirt cheap.


Look at the CCM pumps.. they sell for about $600... and they're pumps!!

It's definitely hard to convince others until they actually experience it for themselves

[maniacmechanic]

Punkncat, I hear you. I know, you know, and AO knows. But does anyone outside this forum? I'm not trying to attack AGD, but not realizing the issues when it comes to outsiders is a misstep.

I have a strong feeling that I'm going to spend the rest of this thread defending my opinions. I really hope that doesn't happen.

I have been laughed at when I told people I spent $500 on a mag. Image is everything.

I love my ULE but there's no way I'm going to be able to convince the 10 other people I play with to drop 500 for what I got in the box.

One of the best ways to combat this problem is let them play with it , when they put all the balls on a pie plate at distance , it makes people think

[georgeyew]

Image is everything.

If that is the case, then you need to be prepared to buy a new marker every year to impress the other players at the field.

[cockerpunk]

AGD isn't coming back until they get some major outside capital.

sorry guys, it just wont happen.

[zondo]

If that is the case, then you need to be prepared to buy a new marker every year to impress the other players at the field.

Nah, just buy a new body/rail combo like the rest of us

[mostpeople]

AGD isn't coming back until they get some major outside capital.

sorry guys, it just wont happen.

THIS

[Watcher]

When you break it all down, you get what you pay for.

Everything AGD screams quality, it is all made locally (not overseas), the material is better than other companies', and the tolerances are made very tight.

When you buy a DYE gun, half of what you pay for is the name. Look at the difference in price of Proto guns to DYE guns, and the Protos are basically missing an LPR, the low pressure bolt, and some milling... Is that worth an extra $1000?


When you buy AGD you don't buy the name, you buy a paintball gun. Tom has been known to say that the reason they use plain, white boxes to house their product is that it saves money and that money is used to better whatever is in the box...


Looking at all the components... X-valve = $250, Intelliframe = $100, ULE body = $150, Rail = $60, Barrel = $50, foregrip and mounts = $50, hardware = $20... That is $680!

$500 for a ULE RT Custom? Its a deal.



Heck, my RT Pro that came out in 2001 probably sold for about as much if not more than the ULE Customs are selling now, and I payed $400 for it not 1 year ago!

Why? Because in that time it has given me less grief than any other gun I've owned, it has shot the fastest and the smoothest, it is the most durable, it is unique, parts are available, it has a whole community to ask if there are problems (big if), it is totally customiseable, and although it is heavy it is compact!

When I take the warp and drop off of mine, the only gun on the wall of my shop that beats it for size is an Invert Mini, and the only ones that meet it pretty evenly in size are the SP guns...

I'd rather spend $400 on an Automag than half that on a DYE gun any day.


The list of "you get what you pay for" companies is short, but Airgun Designs is at the top.