The Mystery frame from Tunaball3

[p8ntbal4me]

I am also concerned about the plastic ram. Mag valves are relatively hard on things and I feel that the plastic ram will be the weak link in the Cheater. Only time will tell though.

I was thinking of modding mine to look like the Logic Ripper ram piston with a flat headed machine screw threaded into it.

I figured that would solve the problem before it started.

~ P8nt

[Loguzzzzzz]

I told Scott to relay this idea to Magnus when I tried the proto-type:

Using an E-Mag trigger would allow the rod that contacts the MSV-2 to pull the rod away from the MSV-2 and have "constant contact" with the trigger rather than give more friction in the slot where the rod goes and holds the MSV-2 open.

Think about it,.. the magnet in the trigger would pull the rod back at the rate that the trigger is returning which, in theory, is the matched speed you are pulling the trigger.

This should solve alot of that problem.

Some one thin down an E-Mag trigger to fit the frame and try it :)

~ P8nt

That would only work with a steel rod. Most of the cyberave68 kits have aluminum rods these days so the magnet would be useless. I have never had the rod alone keep the MSV-2 activated but I suppose it is possible. The mag-mod would probably override the rod friction and with the less weight of an aluminum rod, that friction would be greatly reduced.

[Shirow]

I was thinking of modding mine to look like the Logic Ripper ram piston with a flat headed machine screw threaded into it.

I figured that would solve the problem before it started.

~ P8nt

That is a pretty good idea... you want to try on yours first? :)

[p8ntbal4me]

That is a pretty good idea... you want to try on yours first? :)

Im ordering some triggers,... for some new products coming out.

I might grind one down to try it.


Loguz: Either that SS rod or a Alumn. one with a small SS cap in the end of it.

Either way,.... I figured this would solve the drag issue.

[Smoothice]

The mag-mod would probably override the rod friction and with the less weight of an aluminum rod, that friction would be greatly reduced.

time to go polish my rod...

[zondo]

That would only work with a steel rod. Most of the cyberave68 kits have aluminum rods these days so the magnet would be useless. I have never had the rod alone keep the MSV-2 activated but I suppose it is possible. The mag-mod would probably override the rod friction and with the less weight of an aluminum rod, that friction would be greatly reduced.

I just trimmed a wire brad nail to size. Would work with that.

[Loguzzzzzz]

P8nt.

I mean no disrepect but have you ever set up a pneumatic frame before?

I have to ask because you are spending a lot of time and discussion on something that rarely, if ever occurs.

The first time I ever had a problem with the MSV-2 staying partially activated was on my ZX. The problem there was that the angle of the Z grip trigger adds weight to the trigger that is cantelevered out. This added weight kept the MSV-2 from closing cleanly everytime. My solution at that time was to add a spring to the actuator rod for the MVS-2. The problem was sloved. The next Z grip I did I installed the mag-mod and that cured it that time.

I believe that in a normal installtion in an Intelli, Vert or Y grip there is no real issue.

[zondo]

Grr... I just need to get my tank filled so I can play around with it again.

[Bigwooly1013]

just a design question that is way late to the party?

Would it be possible to mill the bottom of the frame to accept dovetail mount asa's?

[Ando]

Toss a low profile rail on it. Someone might cut you for doing it

[Beemer]

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=248020

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[p8ntbal4me]

P8nt.

I mean no disrepect but have you ever set up a pneumatic frame before?

I have to ask because you are spending a lot of time and discussion on something that rarely, if ever occurs.

The first time I ever had a problem with the MSV-2 staying partially activated was on my ZX. The problem there was that the angle of the Z grip trigger adds weight to the trigger that is cantelevered out. This added weight kept the MSV-2 from closing cleanly everytime. My solution at that time was to add a spring to the actuator rod for the MVS-2. The problem was sloved. The next Z grip I did I installed the mag-mod and that cured it that time.

I believe that in a normal installtion in an Intelli, Vert or Y grip there is no real issue.

Yes I have,.. and none taken.

I was just adding in my suggestions passed on to a few others when this topic about the friction on the actuator rod occurs. It seemed that no one brought it up, so I added my thoughts in the process to see if someone would venture to taking it to the next level beyond just a thought.

The idea was pushed to me a few years ago by Rob Clippard,... figured the thought had some merit to it if we could apply it to the problem if or when it became an issue.

The issue with the Z-Grip and Y-Grip is like you say,.. in the trigger, not the MSV-2. So be careful not to cross what Im saying with I talk about "drag" on the actuator rod. You would best solve the Z and Y grip problems as you said,.. however,.. in the respect of the possible problem with the actuator rod binding up the MSV-2 because it adds push weight to the assembly,... I figured the E-Mag magnet idea brought up would solve that said issue 100%.

~ P8nt

[Fred]

So geeked... preorder in for batch 2...

[luke]

Aluminum panels>

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=248117

[Bunny]

Still interested in a V2 Tunablade