50 caliber. Is it economical?

[Wrathbringer]

That's what I'm guessing too. I really don't see why people seem to think .50 would attract airsoft players either unless I'm missing something.

Smaller paint makes realistic-looking guns more that much closer to the real thing, which I believe is one of the bigger attractions of Airsoft. Right now a lot of milsim markers look a tad ridiculous with .68 cal chambers and accessories (Milsig mags anyone?) so .50 cal paint will bring all of this more in line with real weapons.

I dunno if that's a good thing though, paintballers get enough crap for being soldier wannabes shooting each other in the forest...

[Shirow]

Smaller paint makes realistic-looking guns more that much closer to the real thing, which I believe is one of the bigger attractions of Airsoft. Right now a lot of milsim markers look a tad ridiculous with .68 cal chambers and accessories (Milsig mags anyone?) so .50 cal paint will bring all of this more in line with real weapons.

I dunno if that's a good thing though, paintballers get enough crap for being soldier wannabes shooting each other in the forest...

Meh, I guess.. doesn't seem like enough to me though. If I play airsoft today, why would I buy a paintball gun instead of my existing equipment just because it looks more like a real gun than old paintball guns used to? Why not just keep playing airsoft?

[Lohman446]

Smaller paint makes realistic-looking guns more that much closer to the real thing, which I believe is one of the bigger attractions of Airsoft. Right now a lot of milsim markers look a tad ridiculous with .68 cal chambers and accessories (Milsig mags anyone?) so .50 cal paint will bring all of this more in line with real weapons.

I dunno if that's a good thing though, paintballers get enough crap for being soldier wannabes shooting each other in the forest...

See, I don't see it. I don't see where anyone has really been convinced that playing speedball is not shooting each other. The point is we shoot projectiles at each other. Trying to convince people its something else is like trying to convince them a hypocrite at Fatburger is good for you. One of the first things we have to do is be honest about what we are doing. We are not fooling anyone.

[ezcreation]

A friend of mine from France was telling me that in Europe it could be a huge deal mainly because of the legislation. Apparently markers are cateogrized thru the energy they require to project a ball and therefore a 0.50 caliber would lower it and avoid any ban

Personnaly I dont buy it in North America. yes in speedball tournaments they will go strong at it hoping that all the wannabees will follow blindly but for the rec players I dont see a point.
And yes Milsim guys will really be able to look like GI Joe...

To be honest all that matters to me is that I can still shoot my 0.68 marker...And if companies are not too stupid they will realize that for many more years there is lots of money to be made

[MANN]

I have not done the calculations personally on the accuracy. I need to find someone who has, or do them myself.

From the video that GH posted it states that FM50 is 18" - 20" spread at 70'


Alum TI LB 0.684 Xball Gold


Here is a aluminum titanium longbow barrel at over 75 feet on my xmag.

It is ~ 12" X 7" spread.

I surly hope that they did more engineering, and have a better product. I thought that they had a foot to stand on, but the way it is looking is that they have made another "magic box"

[snoopay700]

I don't know, an 18" grouping at 75' compared to a 28" grouping? Unless the person you're shooting at is 5" thick, you're bound to hit them. Yeah, I know, they might be through a small window, or just have a foot sticking out. I've hit people through a 6"x6" square with a single shot, and I've missed people who were running in the open after I've shot 50 rounds! For my playing type (rec woodsball mainly), I find that it's a big part luck that you hit someone. I think you're going to have the exact same experience with these .50 guns. When it really comes down to paint/bore matching anyways, what's the point. I'd like to know what type of paint/barrels they were using for these tests. Who knows, they may have had a barrel specially made to match the paint they were using for the .50 tests, and then using stock barrels or something for the other guns. I really wouldn't put it past them.

That's my thinking exactly, that's why i'm waiting for them to come out. I'm sure that gordon and bryce will do some tests showing if they really aren't any better, and then all of the people who follow them will not buy these guns.

I for one fall into the last category, and if it does somehow take over i will be leaving the game. As for the increased accuracy, well they're supposed to be around the same density as .68 cals. That should net slightly better accuracy, but the whole thing about that is that we don't know anything about the round. It would also be next to impossible to test reliably because you can't use the same marker with the exact same settings for the different rounds, at least one of the variables will be different, although more than likely more than one variable will differ. That being said, it shouldn't get you that much more range, think it was found to be around 15-30 feet if they are the same density. I still don't see this taking off, i know the field i work at probably won't take it up because my boss just bought the field this year, and he can't afford to take a risk like that.

[mpsd]

Here in Brazil, for now, 50 Cal is just impossible. Can't tell about the reality in US but if it changes there, it will eventually change here as well. For myself, though, I'll stay in 68 as long as possible (forever, hopefully), since I already have over 50 guns and changing them to 50 Cal would either be impossible (fixed barrels) or too expensive.

[snoopay700]

Here in Brazil, for now, 50 Cal is just impossible. Can't tell about the reality in US but if it changes there, it will eventually change here as well. For myself, though, I'll stay in 68 as long as possible (forever, hopefully), since I already have over 50 guns and changing them to 50 Cal would either be impossible (fixed barrels) or too expensive.

Yeah that's another thing, mags can't convert, the powertube is too big and most are fixed to the valve, only the early mags and early RT's aren't that i've seen, maybe x-valves, i don't know. I can't see a lot of the markers on the market being able to convert though, and i think that's what they may be hoping for.

[Wrathbringer]

Meh, I guess.. doesn't seem like enough to me though. If I play airsoft today, why would I buy a paintball gun instead of my existing equipment just because it looks more like a real gun than old paintball guns used to? Why not just keep playing airsoft?

Number of paintball players > number of airsoft players, which means more people to play with/against. I've seen a very small amount of actual airsoft players around here and it's always the same group playing, maybe they're interested in broadening their gaming group?

I'm thinking that it will lure quite a few airsofters over, since more places to play at and more people to play against is a definite bonus to them.

See, I don't see it. I don't see where anyone has really been convinced that playing speedball is not shooting each other. The point is we shoot projectiles at each other. Trying to convince people its something else is like trying to convince them a hypocrite at Fatburger is good for you. One of the first things we have to do is be honest about what we are doing. We are not fooling anyone.

I think you missed the "Soldier Wannabes" part of my point. What I'm saying is that having more realistic markers will perpetuate the stereotype that we're all crazy gun-obsessed people who play war in the forest and that our sport should be banned. This would only get worse as more realistic markers get out into the market.

[Shirow]

Number of paintball players > number of airsoft players, which means more people to play with/against. I've seen a very small amount of actual airsoft players around here and it's always the same group playing, maybe they're interested in broadening their gaming group?

I'm thinking that it will lure quite a few airsofters over, since more places to play at and more people to play against is a definite bonus to them.

I get it, but is really the only thing that stops people paintballing that the bore of the gun is .68?

I mean, unless you are really hardcore into military re-enactment, I can't see that, if I played airsoft, my only rationale for not playing paintball was that the guns don't look realistic enough, and if only they did, I would jump to paintball in a heartbeat.

Maybe it is enough, I don't know.. I'm not into airsoft. Just seems weak to me.

If you want to play paintball, I would think you would just play it. There are guns that look realistic enough... I think, anyway.

[manwe33]

I think we all need to make a stand here and fight that SP on this one. I think we need to make sure they dont brain wash any more young players then they do. I would like every one to call them out on their Youtube videos and see what happens Mann i like your test you did. I think you need to post your info and we need to link it. Sp has all their money into this new product and we need to show the paintball world that we do not need it to take SP crap.

[cockerpunk]

I have not done the calculations personally on the accuracy. I need to find someone who has, or do them myself.

From the video that GH posted it states that FM50 is 18" - 20" spread at 70'


Alum TI LB 0.684 Xball Gold


Here is a aluminum titanium longbow barrel at over 75 feet on my xmag.

It is ~ 12" X 7" spread.

I surly hope that they did more engineering, and have a better product. I thought that they had a foot to stand on, but the way it is looking is that they have made another "magic box"

agreed .. at 75 feet the accuracy is pretty similar to a normal 68 cal.

[Lohman446]

I think you missed the "Soldier Wannabes" part of my point. What I'm saying is that having more realistic markers will perpetuate the stereotype that we're all crazy gun-obsessed people who play war in the forest and that our sport should be banned. This would only get worse as more realistic markers get out into the market.

I didn't though. See a lot of us think we are playing some more politically correct game. We think our big charade of bright colors and balloons has convinced people we are not playing a war game. Its not working, we might as well be dressed in camo and playing in the woods because they see us still playing a game that involves shooting at each other. It doesn't matter what we wear or how we play.