You know what would be the easiest way to save this sport?

[halB]

We got a problem. Paintball isn't as fun anymore. At least, this is the opinion I'm getting from a lot of the older players.

The main problem? It is too expensive to be shooting 20 balls per second, and it is too painful to be shot by 20 balls a second. This isn't a sport with "guns" anymore, this is a sport with hoses.

So, what's the easiest solution, that each gun could be fixed for around 100 dollars?

Let's go back to single trigger frames.

Double trigger frames first came about because it was difficult to pull mech triggers. Now they're used to fan like crazy. Hell, people don't even hold or treat this thing like a "gun" anymore.

With a single trigger frame, at the very minimum for electronics, this would level the playing field, slow down the game a bit, and bring back fun.

Thoughts?

[om3n]

We got a problem. Paintball isn't as fun anymore. At least, this is the opinion I'm getting from a lot of the older players.

The main problem? It is too expensive to be shooting 20 balls per second, and it is too painful to be shot by 20 balls a second. This isn't a sport with "guns" anymore, this is a sport with hoses.

So, what's the easiest solution, that each gun could be fixed for around 100 dollars?

Let's go back to single trigger frames.

Double trigger frames first came about because it was difficult to pull mech triggers. Now they're used to fan like crazy. Hell, people don't even hold or treat this thing like a "gun" anymore.

With a single trigger frame, at the very minimum for electronics, this would level the playing field, slow down the game a bit, and bring back fun.

Thoughts?

I would agree with you but....



I just built an e-mag

[Newt]

Mmf. Easier said than done. Once you go down a road, regrettable or otherwise, it's not easy to go back.

They're shooting 20bps because the technique has been evolved and developed. It's takes 14 bps to hit a guy now that they've figured out to slide out and back in, and only expose half a mask for half a second.

As for paintball not treating the equipment like guns, it's because they're not. Firearms developed a different way and achieved a level of ergonomics and accuracy. Paintball markers have a hopper, a tank, and virtually zero recoil. The ergonomics just work differently.

For this to work, you'd have to get the major tourneys on board and get a completely different set of rules.

[halB]

How bout we first explore the positives of this, before we poo poo all over it?

[paullus99]

Once the cat is out of the bag, there isn't any going back. Of course, you see a rise in pump & mech players, both for the experience & of course the economics of it as well. The next couple of years will be interesting - to see how the game evolves in the current climate and whether or not it can capture the imagination of a new generation of players.

We'll just have to wait and see.

[SSP REAPER]

I would agree with you but....



I just built an e-mag

I just built an Xmag Isn't hyper Hybrid or just Hybrid fun? (supposing you have Xmod for the "hyper") I will post up pics of the build process soon!

[om3n]

honestly though I do agree with you. I've used mech guns for 10 years- I used to play almost exclusively with other guys who have mechs, and as soon as the first one of us went electro we all went electro (well except for me... I just went electro about 2 weeks ago). The guys with electros have so much of an advantage over similarly skilled guys with mechs that it's not fun... when everyone has unlimited ammo

One rule that people could consider is playing with this:still allow ridiculously fast guns, but instead of being allowed to carry all the friggin paint you want, make it so you can only take one hopper's worth per game. That would be interesting and I think it would satisfy your argument and the need to shoot fast. People would just be more conservative, i.e. shoot fast alot less.


EDIT

and to the guy above me- I am getting my gun back on Saturday from being flashed to x-mod. I CAN'T WAAAAAAAIT

[vf-xx]

I would agree with you but....



I just built an e-mag

I have a single finger Emag trigger for you!!!

See, problem solved.

[BigEvil]

Make everyone use 12v Revies... end of ROF problems

[Mongoose]

Make everyone use 12v Revies... end of ROF problems

now thats the way to go.....even with a single trigger the aggs will just set the marker on full auto. but if you restrict the paint going in...well then it doesn't matter what ramp or board they wanna use

[kcombs9]

honestly though I do agree with you. I've used mech guns for 10 years- I used to play almost exclusively with other guys who have mechs, and as soon as the first one of us went electro we all went electro (well except for me... I just went electro about 2 weeks ago). The guys with electros have so much of an advantage over similarly skilled guys with mechs that it's not fun... when everyone has unlimited ammo

One rule that people could consider is playing with this:still allow ridiculously fast guns, but instead of being allowed to carry all the friggin paint you want, make it so you can only take one hopper's worth per game. That would be interesting and I think it would satisfy your argument and the need to shoot fast. People would just be more conservative, i.e. shoot fast alot less.


EDIT

and to the guy above me- I am getting my gun back on Saturday from being flashed to x-mod. I CAN'T WAAAAAAAIT

I agree, take less paint per game, I take 2 pods with me but rarely use one in a game. And I have a Emag too...

[om3n]

now thats the way to go.....even with a single trigger the aggs will just set the marker on full auto. but if you restrict the paint going in...well then it doesn't matter what ramp or board they wanna use

Did anyone read my post? what about limiting paint in general?

One possibility is making it so everyone can only use ONE loader full of paint per game- that way people could shoot fast if they wanted too, but there would be alot of reasons not to shoot fast as well People would probably play more aggressively and they would definitely be more conservative on paint, and I think this could satisfy both the need to shoot fast and the ridiculous amount of paint flying through the air problem all at once.

[BigEvil]

Did anyone read my post? what about limiting paint in general?

One possibility is making it so everyone can only use ONE loader full of paint per game- that way people could shoot fast if they wanted too, but there would be alot of reasons not to shoot fast as well People would probably play more aggressively and they would definitely be more conservative on paint, and I think this could satisfy both the need to shoot fast and the ridiculous amount of paint flying through the air problem all at once.

A lot of people don't like to play like that. It also doesnt stop someone from getting lit up.

[om3n]

A lot of people don't like to play like that. It also doesnt stop someone from getting lit up.

Maybe, but the op is claiming he doesn't like how alot of people like to play. I do believe what I have suggested is a reasonable solution to that problem- whether it can be implemented or not or whether the majority of paintball players will like it though is another issue, and your probably right.

I do personally like it occasionally- when I host games at my place, we do often play games where everyone can only use 50 rounds for the whole game. It's actually alot of fun, and the game becomes more about skill than hosing people. Also, guys with electros turn their guns to semi and shoot alot slower and alot less often

[snoopay700]

honestly though I do agree with you. I've used mech guns for 10 years- I used to play almost exclusively with other guys who have mechs, and as soon as the first one of us went electro we all went electro (well except for me... I just went electro about 2 weeks ago). The guys with electros have so much of an advantage over similarly skilled guys with mechs that it's not fun... when everyone has unlimited ammo

That's when you get more skilled and they get left behind.

Honestly though, we've already headed down the slippery slope, and it's too steep to go back. I actually like this because it helps me grow in skill, especially since i've started playing stock class, while everyone else relies on firepower. That being said i don't mind where the sport is at all that much.