You know what would be the easiest way to save this sport?

[drg]

However, I will say that I do agree with the OP that single trigger could be a good method of ROF control. I'm actually kind of surprised that it has yet to be used as such.

[snoopay700]

There was a time....way back when the 68 Magnum was old and the Autococker still new....when we said the same thing.

and we were ignored.

We fight to this day...."bps isn't a tactic"

and we are still ignored.

We hear people whine that [as walk-ons] "the pump and pistol guys are eliminated too quickly because they have no 'fight' one ball at a time"

...and we ignore them.

The REAL reason paintball isn't fun anymore is because no one treats it as a game. It's "all about the win" and at "whatever the cost."

Now add cheating into the mix.

Exactly, nothing will change, that's why you need to find a field that's good for recball. Luckily the field i play at is a great field with great people.

[BiNumber3]

That's the mindset of most "sportsman" tho, win at all costs, even if it's by beating down someone clearly weaker than you in one way or another, and if theyre not weaker, that's when many resort to foul play, you find this in any sport, professional or not.
And I believe people are willing to "bully" (with bps) or cheat mainly because:
1. their peers/friends acknowledge and promote it
2. or they don't care because they see it as playing with strangers and see no need to play fair with strangers

or not, who knows, I can't really put myself in their shoes because the only gun I've had that shot over 15bps with 1 pull i sold off before even putting paint in it...

[WenULiVeUdiE]

Sports and communities evolve and change. That's where part of the sport is at, speed. That part doesn't even include the major tournament series...

It sounds like you are just playing with the wrong group of people. There are plenty of other options...

[druid]

The Pennsylvania Game Commission has an EXCELLENT definition of "Sport".......

Sportsmen
Policing
Our
Ranks
Together

If everyone followed it, we'd ALL be better off........

[Reiner]

we dont generally get these sort of problems here (Australia) due to the simple fact that paintball markers are considered firearms here. Which for us means we have to obtain a weapons licence and sit firearms safety courses. The amount of hassle we have to go to just to allowed to legally own a paintball marker usually weeds out all of the hot heads.

from what you have all said its not the equipments fault that you get overshot. Do you blame the firearm in a Homicide or do you blame the person? what you need to stop this is a cultural change, people attidudes is what needs to be addressed here, not the markers themselves.

all i am saying is its easy to blame an inanimate object as it cant fight back, trying to change the way some one thinks in this day and age....... GOOD LUCK

The reason you don't have many of these kind of problems is your paint prices. US fields didn't have these problems either when they were charging $10/100 paintballs. Fields in North America today that are charging close to these prices, still don't have these kinds of problems. It's not the equipment. It's providing the paintballs to feed the equipment at ultra low prices that is the enabler. But even the players that understand that, aren't usually ready to agree to higher prices to solve the problem.

[druid]

Missed this one...dunno how though.....

we dont generally get these sort of problems here (Australia) due to the simple fact that paintball markers are considered firearms here. Which for us means we have to obtain a weapons licence and sit firearms safety courses. The amount of hassle we have to go to just to allowed to legally own a paintball marker usually weeds out all of the hot heads.

from what you have all said its not the equipments fault that you get overshot. Do you blame the firearm in a Homicide or do you blame the person? what you need to stop this is a cultural change, people attidudes is what needs to be addressed here, not the markers themselves.

all i am saying is its easy to blame an inanimate object as it cant fight back, trying to change the way some one thinks in this day and age....... GOOD LUCK

You can't legislate someone from not being a butt-wipe. Stabbing someone to death is just as illegal as shooting them with a firearm or beating them to death with a 9 iron.

Sociopathic behavior is just that...and it's difficult to distinguish them from the honest player - when you have companies that put out boards to do insane speeds for only a few bucks.
No mater what the field rules were...or are..."cheater boards" became the norm that you see today. People [originally] got them because they were lazy...and dishonest [in terms of fair play] and they've been screwing with "blue tooth" technology as of the past few years, to try and get accomplice spectators to manipulate players boards by air waves.

Not only that, North America doesn't [nor should it] regulate a paintball marker as a firearm because it simply isn't one. Even our own ATF, which is the biggest goose-stepping agency we have, doesn't want any part of it because it isn't a firearm.

[crazyjoe12]

dont have much to say but i agree go back to revvies. sure i have a halo but i rarely use it, i dont need to shoot that fast; i much rather use a revy, its lighter and around 12 bps is more than fast enough, even on my electro's.i guess i just prefer it more. heh

[rawbutter]

"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for
authority, they show disrespect to their elders.... They no longer
rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents,
chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their
legs, and are tyrants over their teachers"

Way to pull out the Socrates quote. Kids never change, do they? Sure, they grow up and learn some manners, only to be replaced with younger kids who are just the same.

from what you have all said its not the equipments fault that you get overshot. Do you blame the firearm in a Homicide or do you blame the person? what you need to stop this is a cultural change, people attidudes is what needs to be addressed here, not the markers themselves.

Too true.

I think all this boils down to personal responsibility. If you see someone overshooting, YOU need to do something about it. We don't need to change the rules or the guns. We just need to have some balls (no pun intended) to stand up for what's fair and right. We are responsible adults, after all.

The last time I played at a public game, I saw a few instances of cheating, and... I'm sorry to say, I didn't talk to the ref about it because I figured I would never be back to that place again. But if that was my home field, I would have been all over the ref until something happened. When someone comes out to play on my private field for the first time, the rules get laid out. If the person overshoots or plays outside the area, we talk to them about it. If they do it again, we talk to them again until they get it right.

We can't change the entire sport. Even if all of us here agreed on what to do, we have no authority to change tournament rules or force companies to alter their designs. But we can each of us try to change one player's attitude and behavior. That's the only way we'll make a difference in the long run.

[XM15]

The dominace of the airball/speedball format combined with electros is one of the biggest problems. It was pushed back in the late 90's to make the sport more spectator friendly in hopes of TV picking it up. The format is all about more action which means more shooting and up close and personal bunkering. Back in the days of mech guns its wasn't bad but now it is a meat grinder. Some guy bunkers a kid ramping that kid is going to take multiple hits from 2ft or less. What new player is going to find that fun and keep playing?

[Lohman446]

Yeh, I wish we had a players group that would make a no force fed loader rule....


/oh wait... that didn't work

[Konigballer]

This is great! I played indoor speedball all day yesterday with my RT valved Minimag yesterday, and I did the following:

A. used a single trigger benchy.

B. used a Revy.

C. played hopperball the entire day, because I was to lazy to cary my pod pack.

I must be 'the man'!

this was also added to the fact that I had the only mag there and no-one, not even the refs, knew what it was. These little speedballers asked me how old it was before a game and I pointed at each of them and said 'It's older than you, you, you, and you.'

[Ando]

These little speedballers asked me how old it was before a game and I pointed at each of them and said 'It's older than you, you, you, and you.'

I love doing that and the majority want to use it too. I have a basic classic that I loan out to those that want to try it out on the firld and my other guns I'll only allow them to use it in the crono area. I think I've converted one of the kids to a mag. I told him to come here and have a look at the Mag Picture thread to get a better idea of what he can create.

[SSP-SheiK]

We got a problem. Paintball isn't as fun anymore. At least, this is the opinion I'm getting from a lot of the older players.

The main problem? It is too expensive to be shooting 20 balls per second, and it is too painful to be shot by 20 balls a second. This isn't a sport with "guns" anymore, this is a sport with hoses.

So, what's the easiest solution, that each gun could be fixed for around 100 dollars?

Let's go back to single trigger frames.

Double trigger frames first came about because it was difficult to pull mech triggers. Now they're used to fan like crazy. Hell, people don't even hold or treat this thing like a "gun" anymore.

With a single trigger frame, at the very minimum for electronics, this would level the playing field, slow down the game a bit, and bring back fun.

Thoughts?

Im not quite sure what everyones problem is... you dont HAVE to shoot 20bps, and you usually can choose who you play with top avoid playing with people that wont hesitate to throw 8-10 extra at you while your standing up to get out. i have a great time getting little AGG kids out with my pump. getting bonus balled absolutely sucks. but you know, thats an aspect of the sport that has evovled with some of the sports gametypes. no one is telling you to go waste 2 cases in a day. YOU chose how to play. i still have a blast and i can tell you many many people do too. i dont intend this to be mean but, just because your not having fun doesnt mean everyone else should have to change how they play.

just my opinion

[druid]

Im not quite sure what everyones problem is... you dont HAVE to shoot 20bps, and you usually can choose who you play with top avoid playing with people that wont hesitate to throw 8-10 extra at you while your standing up to get out. i have a great time getting little AGG kids out with my pump. getting bonus balled absolutely sucks. but you know, thats an aspect of the sport that has evovled with some of the sports gametypes. no one is telling you to go waste 2 cases in a day. YOU chose how to play. i still have a blast and i can tell you many many people do too. i dont intend this to be mean but, just because your not having fun doesnt mean everyone else should have to change how they play.

just my opinion

It's not just yours....many hold that same opinion.

In response to Konig and Ando....yeah, I love that too - except it happens a lot more when I take the 68 Magnum out...you should see the agglett looks at THAT marker....lmao.

Agglett: "Did you make that out of bathroom piping?"
me: "uh...no"
A: "what is that?"
me: "_________" [answer]
A: "How old is it?"
me: "older than this field we're playing"
A: "must not be too accurate then"

.....40 mins later......

Agglett: "Dude! You were like 150 feet away and one-balled me!!!111oneoneone"
me: "Uh huh...bps ain't everything now is it?"
A: ::grumbles"" as he walks away........

I SO love that...lol