Matrix vs. Excalibur/Viking

[Gecko]

Matrix weight:3lb 6 oz (not sure what is on it)
Excal: 3 lb (no barrel no battery)
Viking: 3 lb (no barrel no battery)
6oz probably wouldn't even notice in a game.
Please check out the new viking before you say anything. The gun itself is built from the same extrusion as the excal, it is not a spyder body. Stock settings on the viking will be 13 bps and will have a low enough pneumatic pressure to not chop.

Gecko

[Tim Jacobitz]

the matrix is open bolt

[Drizit]

ahh come on it "emulated" closed bolt. just like the bushy (whatever emulated closed bolt means, i'm thinking it means open bolt though.) also closed bolt guns are only realy closed bolt for the first shot.

oh and put the red bolt (not out yet, but soon.) on a matrix and all your gas guzzeling problems will go away. strap a trinity on the front and no more chops. oh and did i mention that it's fast as hell?

[Kaiser Bob]

theres a new bolt kit from aardvark; its silver now i believe.

[Tim Jacobitz]

In my opinion the excal is better but I am getting a matrix also. Does any one know how much the new suped up version of ot will be?

[xmetal2001]

Matrices rock, although i have to say i've never shot a excalibur or a viking. But i do know that my matrix is great. Just got a trinity for it today. So low pressure won't chop a ball. Gas-Efficiency isn't great, but it doesn't really make to much of a difference to me. With a bolt get you'll get about the same efficency as an angel, and boltkits are now $95. (trinities $45). So with $140 you can make your matrix AWESOME. The trigger is AMAZING. The exact same trigger as an angel, and everybody loves the angel trigger. Infact, i'm about to order an angel trigger for my matrix just cause they look cooler.(you have to drill the hole for the trigger pin for it to fit)

[InfinatyBPS]

goto modified paintball and look at the prices for Vikings, at the bottom of the AKA marker page there are unmilled selected colors for very good prices... if I ever sell my cocker I plan on getting a Dimond dust 2x finger viking...

[Ov3rmind]

These are some of my favorite electros, but I must say before I get into it, THIS THREAD IS FLOODED WITH MORE IGNORANCE THAN I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE! The Viking has no similarities in design to the Spyder (in early design stages it did, but it was totally redone), the Matrix is open bolt (if you don't believe me, look into the breech and fire one), and the Excal is no way as heavy as a Shocker (it has been weighed, the weight is just a little higher than an Angel).

Excalibure and the Viking are very different. Viking is an open bolt while the Excalibure is closed. The Excalibure will have less kick and will be more accurate than the Viking. Not sayng the Viking is no good. I find the E-Matrix to be kind of a more economical version of an Excalibure even though its open bolt. It has very little kick and is extreamly accurate.

Where do I start? They have about the same kick, the Viking may actually have a little less. If you don't think so, go ask some guys over on the AKA forum on PBNation, like AuctionJunkie!, he knows his stuff. I will not debate the closed bolt accuracy thing again, all I will say is I don't think the bolt position makes a difference (and most of the paintball community seems to agree with that now).

My personal preference would be the Viking. You don't need upgrades, which means you are pretty much set for $775. The trigger is very nice, and it's a pretty compact gun. Plus, you get excellent customer service from AKA and a LIFETIME WARRANTY. I think you would see about the same performance with an Excalibur, just with a far higher price tag and a slower ROF. The Matrix is also very nice, but I think the Viking comes out ahead. The Matrix does have the nicest trigger and lowest kick, which is why I'd take it over an Excalibur, but not the Viking. The Viking is smaller than a Matrix, gets killer gas efficiency, and you don't need to buy an upgrade for it to pinch balls. Plus, when ordering a Viking, you can choose your trigger style, milling and anodizing, and whether you wan't a low or high rise feed neck. I don't see any of those options when ordering a Matrix. However, I think all of them are excellent guns, and you will happy with either of the three, just IMO the Viking comes out on top.

[RT_Luver]

I'd go for the Viking. Matrixes are gas hogs until you get a couple mods for them

[rudy]

does the viking still have the huge body? last time i thought i saw one is was basically a openbolt excal i dont understand why the body didnt get cut down big time

[Ov3rmind]

Well, the body is shorter than an Angel's, and about the same height and slightly wider. IMO, that's small enough. If you wan't to see it a little better, go to http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...threadid=50355 (Gecko posted the link earlier in the thread).

[rudy]

yeah i just looked at the pics of the viking its basically the same size as the excal not sure why. should be smaller since they have less parts to fit in