How do you classify a Pneumag?

[Brewtt]

but a higher rate of fire was the whole reason that Glenn Palmer came up with the Pneumatic Automation system that gave birth to the semi-automatic paintball gun... a design that was promptly stolen and mass produced.

You are half correct. The design was promptly used by others.

However, Glenn created the semi-auto pneumatic re-cocking system because of a shoulder injury he has. He didn't like to PUMP all the time to be able to play. Glenn did NOT create the semi-auto system simply for the higher rate of fire. Glenn has ALWAYS been against super high rates of fire in paintball. This is why he didn't allow the Pneu-Blazer , the RT Blazer or the Grinder (and originally the E-Blazer) to become a production gun.

[Lohman446]

The pneumag is a mechanical gun - in the sense that we judge mechanical guns in paintball. I guess technical it is a pneumatic-mechanical gun and there might be some discussion if it is a "true" mechanical gun, but I would assume the same discussion then applies to autocockers.

The problem I have with some people who insist they are "mechanical" is then they beg for mechanical only tournaments. These same people sometimes bemoan the rise of BPS in the sport and then seek to make the rules such that they have the BPS advantage. Up until this point I really don't worry about how one classifies it.

[Spider-TW]

I think that RT's might kind of cross the line of "mechs only" though - just because it's basically full auto.

I think that is your (the general) main problem; mixing modes of operation with rate of fire. Even if a marker runs full auto, you can't say it's an electronic marker if it doesn't use batteries or circuits.

"Mech" and "electro" are too general as categories if you're trying to classify rates of fire. Admittedly, the drive for electros was an easy and dependable increase in rate of fire, but that doesn't restrict purely mechanical markers from going faster or electronic assisted markers from going slower.

[cockerpunk]

I think that is your (the general) main problem; mixing modes of operation with rate of fire. Even if a marker runs full auto, you can't say it's an electronic marker if it doesn't use batteries or circuits.

"Mech" and "electro" are too general as categories if you're trying to classify rates of fire. Admittedly, the drive for electros was an easy and dependable increase in rate of fire, but that doesn't restrict purely mechanical markers from going faster or electronic assisted markers from going slower.

righto

if i made a mechanically triggered pnumatic gun that fired 1000 rounds a second ... it would still be a mechanically triggered pnumatic gun. it would still be a "mech" gun.

my single triggered tribal shoots about 8 BPS on a good day, but its still and electro.

[Spider-TW]

my single triggered tribal shoots about 8 BPS on a good day, but its still and electro.

and my ep mag doesn't shoot any faster than when it was just a pneumag, it just doesn't chuff, with or without coffee.

[Frizzle Fry]

My memory of the old school automags was they chopped paint more then any other gun, and the shootdown was horrific if you actually tried to fire fast. Those oldschool liquid blowbacks could run 40bps and never have any shootdown.... not that you could pull the trigger anywhere near that speed.

The whole point of the warp and RT was to correct those problems?

Eh, I wouldn't say that....

I had an anti-siphon kit and about 2 feet of coiled hose on my early lvl7 classics and never had a problem with c02. They always seemed to cycle better/faster than everything else around without blending paint. If you had problems with chopping and chuffing that was usually more to do with poor tuning/maintenance and sloppy play than with the marker itself.

Also, I know STBBs can reach very high rates of fire, but I don't remember anything field-legal that could get over 8bps until about 1999 or so. What marker is it that you're thinking of specifically?

[mr.Jhon]

naaahhhh

Cut the brain game, pneumags are mo$%er fu&*g bad A$$ mechanical monsters you don't want to encounter in a dark bushes I'm vegeterian peace out

[Justus]

Well, either the search button on the new forum works a little too well, or somebody browsed through a couple hundred pages in the "Paintball Talk" subforum before finding a thread that deserved a reply. lol

[djinnform]

What about the guns that cheerleaders use to shoot t-shirts at hockey games? Mechanical or Electro?

[Cokrkilr]

What about this thread being 3 years old...

[Nobody]

necro +3

[mr.Jhon]

What about this thread being 3 years old...

what about the kids ? will someone think of the kids !! (Simpsons)

[Frizzle Fry]

What about the guns that cheerleaders use to shoot t-shirts at hockey games? Mechanical or Electro?

IIRC the AirStar Nova was originally a T-shirt gun. The owner of the company modified the design to make a marker.

[Spider-TW]

IIRC the AirStar Nova was originally a T-shirt gun. The owner of the company modified the design to make a marker.

That would explain a lot.

[GoatBoy]