What did I miss?

[Cyberious]

SO about 3 1/2 years ago I walked away from paintball. Got rid of most of my stuff except my original automag and a part of an automag RT classic (was having work done by a former member here who absconded with the body).

Now I see Smart Parts is gone and TK posting again and has come out with a new mini compressor what else have I missed? Any new Automags on the way? ANyone start producing the Pneumag in any numbers?

[going_home]

Xpnuemag

You missed Tunamans release of the new Xpnuemag.
Every AO member got one a 75% below list.
Too bad you stayed gone so long.






















Just kidding.





Wish it were true.

[Cyberious]

Ok so let me sum it up.

-The X Mag is still the pinnacle of electros.
-The RT family is still the pinnacle of mechs
-compressed air tanks still need to be rehydroed
-Smart Parts is gone and nobody likes them anyway.
-Tom Kaye is back and still the only innovator in the business.
-Wang Force still ownz all.
-Chuff Chuff is still our creed.
-I am still AO member #10261

That about sum it up?

[georgeyew]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that the XMag is the pinnacle of electros. There are a lot of good electros currently on the market.

[Cyberious]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that the XMag is the pinnacle of electros. There are a lot of good electros currently on the market.

Can any of them also work without battery power?

[Redic]

Can any of them also work without battery power?

JUST ONE THAT I KNOW OF MADE BY TIPPMANN BUT COPIED THE E-MAG TO A " T "

[Frizzle Fry]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that the XMag is the pinnacle of electros.

Why not?

ACE and LVL10, works in mech, E, or hybrid, and doesn't chop in any mode... Dual detents, common threading for barrel/feedneck/etc... Easy to maintain, good looking, not too heavy, stupid fast, great quality construction...

[cockerpunk]

Can any of them also work without battery power?

why would that matter in terms of being a good ELECTRO?

the E/X mag is NOT the piniacle of electronic guns design. yes, i love and shoot my emag on a regular basis, yes, its an awesome gun. but it is hardly even comprable to even a $400 mid-level electronic gun. the simple truth is that gun design has come a LONG way since the E/X mag. its heavy, big, ineffienet, uses recahrgable a rechargable, and most lack eyes.

a fusion, etek, PMR, or other comprable mid level gun destorys the E/X mag system in every catagory besides "cool factor"

[Cyberious]

why would that matter in terms of being a good ELECTRO?

the E/X mag is NOT the piniacle of electronic guns design. yes, i love and shoot my emag on a regular basis, yes, its an awesome gun. but it is hardly even comprable to even a $400 mid-level electronic gun. the simple truth is that gun design has come a LONG way since the E/X mag. its heavy, big, ineffienet, uses recahrgable a rechargable, and most lack eyes.

a fusion, etek, PMR, or other comprable mid level gun destorys the E/X mag system in every catagory besides "cool factor"

it is relevent in regards to what the purpose of "the tool" in this case a paintball marker is. So if the etek, fusion, or PMR short out in rain or just run out of battery power how well can they still deliver a paintball down range!

[cockerpunk]

it is relevent in regards to what the purpose of "the tool" in this case a paintball marker is. So if the etek, fusion, or PMR short out in rain or just run out of battery power how well can they still deliver a paintball down range!

no, they don't short out. low voltage+ hard to get water in the frame = more then fine in the rain. not to mention, no one plays in the rain, no one cares. and while i love the mech backup on my Emag, and use it frequently, it does not contribute to the over-all design of the electronic paintball gun. plus you wouldn't want to use an EMag in the rain becuase a fried board is very expensive to replace, much more so then any of the guns i mentioned.

sorry dude, the X/E mag system is a dead end in gun design, it has been long bypassed by much better guns.

like cockers, i love the mag system, but they are both obsolete guns. there are plenty of reasons to shoot mags and cockers, and i frequently do, but performance isn't one of them.

mags and cockers are like the GTO, charger, and cudda's of the paintball world. most modern cars wil destory them in any performance aspect, but they remain quenisentially, "cool" guns. this is the fate of the E/X mag.

[Frizzle Fry]

why would that matter in terms of being a good ELECTRO?

the E/X mag is NOT the piniacle of electronic guns design. yes, i love and shoot my emag on a regular basis, yes, its an awesome gun. but it is hardly even comprable to even a $400 mid-level electronic gun. the simple truth is that gun design has come a LONG way since the E/X mag. its heavy, big, ineffienet, uses recahrgable a rechargable, and most lack eyes.

a fusion, etek, PMR, or other comprable mid level gun destorys the E/X mag system in every catagory besides "cool factor"

Efficiency is a good point, but other than that those statements are just silly. Why does it need eyes? The ACE system is cool (multiple color/combo settings), but basically redundant under the lvl10, which all stock Xmags had... It uses a rechargeable battery that's quick to charge, and easily lasts several days of play, plus it came standard with car/wall chargers. They tend to last 6+ years.

Sure, in a world full of <$400 markers like the Mini and G3 it's "big" and "expensive" but was also a gen1-gun, as in it didn't get released, and then have 3 years of edits, recalls and modifications needed to get it up to snuff with its competitors (or functional in general). Quality construction pays for itself in the long run; high grade aluminum, quality anodizing, and careful construction means that you don't see 3 year old markers with worn edges and bad solenoids. The only thing that tends to go on Xmags? The plastic fire selector switch, after a few years, and the battery, after a few more.

To be honest, I doubt you've ever shot an X-mag. Have you ever held one? Believe me when I say that it's NOT the same as your E-mag. Try propping one up next to a DM9... Sure it's not as anorexic as a modern ego, but it certainly isn't as heavy as many of its contemporary high-end electronics, and it isn't really that much bigger than most of the modern ones... If "smaller and lighter" are the only measure of a guns worth, then sure, you're absolutely right, but air efficiency aside it's one of the most functional electronic markers made.

[Cyberious]

no, they don't short out. low voltage+ hard to get water in the frame = more then fine in the rain. not to mention, no one plays in the rain, no one cares. and while i love the mech backup on my Emag, and use it frequently, it does not contribute to the over-all design of the electronic paintball gun. plus you wouldn't want to use an EMag in the rain becuase a fried board is very expensive to replace, much more so then any of the guns i mentioned.

sorry dude, the X/E mag system is a dead end in gun design, it has been long bypassed by much better guns.

like cockers, i love the mag system, but they are both obsolete guns. there are plenty of reasons to shoot mags and cockers, and i frequently do, but performance isn't one of them.

mags and cockers are like the GTO, charger, and cudda's of the paintball world. most modern cars wil destory them in any performance aspect, but they remain quenisentially, "cool" guns. this is the fate of the E/X mag.

I've been several tournaments in the mud and rain. However we can agree to disagree.

Now regarding GTOs I own 2. A 2004 putting out about 390 HP and a 2005 putting out 455 HP. There are some cars that can out run me but most of those either have substantial upgrades or cost 50 k more. You can insult my mag but back off on my Goats. :-)

[going_home]

My Time

1965 goat.



1970 Cuda






1969 Super Bee





Back in the day, cars I was drooling over before I got my drivers license.

[Sumthinwicked]

they had cars back then grandpa ?flintstone style .... none the less mags over every type i proved this when all the teams guns when down ego sp fusion even the mini which was just turning v2 but hey my micromag brought us 4th place in our first tourny with no practice and the other team thought i was ramping with no battreries! LOL

[Frizzle Fry]

I've been several tournaments in the mud and rain. However we can agree to disagree.

A little internet fame can go to peoples heads, however plenty of people remember not so many years back when some "experts" were just kids begging for people to send them free paintball barrels. Your experiences don't lie; while "rain fries boards" thing has been exaggerated by many, it's entirely possible, and happens often enough, especially with modern boards. I personally like my sealed Emag boards, and the water-tight boards that have been in Angels since (IIRC) the IR3 (or mayb LED).

I still can't say enough about craftsmanship and quality materials... The quality of aluminum, the amount of time, focus, and attention to details when milling/drilling/tapping, and the attention paid to anodizing is key. I've run into very few modern markers (other than Angels and high-end PE markers) that receive that kind of attention to detail, and avoid cost-cutting. Every AGD marker I've owned (and that's a lot...) especially the Xmag has been without a doubt flawlessly made and assembled. I never see Xmags with ano wear (other than negligent nicks and dings on the part of the owner) or flawed aluminum. I'm sure there's a pile of bad ULE bodies somewhere that were never sold, but probably not a big one, since attention was paid when they were milled and anodized.

IF they made an Etek or PMR with better quality materials they'd be $1000+. Oh wait, they do, and they are

Now regarding GTOs I own 2. A 2004 putting out about 390 HP and a 2005 putting out 455 HP. There are some cars that can out run me but most of those either have substantial upgrades or cost 50 k more. You can insult my mag but back off on my Goats. :-)

I'm a vette guy, but I'm a car guy in general... I'm a bit miffed by the statement about GTOs as well. Certainly, modern performance cars can beat the snot out of classic muscle, and even classic performance cars, but the whole appeal with GTOs and Chevelles and the like is that they WEREN'T performance cars... They weren't expensive, or costly to maintain, and plenty of them were bought by grandmas as daily drivers. They were factory over-powered vehicles sold cheap in great numbers for "standard daily use".

You'd be hardpressed to find a stock modern car on the same "level" as a GTO or Chevelle or Cutlass or what have you (in terms of cost, availability, etc) that, performance wise, would beat them on the street. They weren't the "STi"s or "LE" versions of anything (there were SS and R/T models of course) they just had a lot under the hood and were solidly constructed in that era. You might find vehicles with better acceleration, but not a lot better and certainly not with the same top-end or ability to sustain it... Plus you've got all the "necessary" safety features and amenities crammed in to much smaller modern vehicles. There's a reason that the LT engine is widely used in modern GM performance cars; it can handle the stresses of being performance tuned, and can be pushed to limits that most modern engines can't accept... It's basically an upgraded and updated version of the original LT1.

Most people who were alive (and driving) when there was "classic muscle" all over the road don't drive muscle because it was the flashy display model at their local dealer, its because they were better made vehicles, and they were what you were driving back then. There was pride in owning a the classics, and they had cult followings, but only because people could and did buy them when 'Vettes and T-Birds and European imports were out of reach. Certainly a cult following has developed with younger muscle car owners, but not without good reason. We're not talking about Pacer collectors or people who horde Corvair parts.