What did I miss?

[going_home]

What ?
Someone is famous on the internets ?
Who is it ?

[Fred]

Wangforce continues to pwn. Alas, Master Wang rarely graces us with his presence and has not initiated any new recruitment for quite some time.

[cockerpunk]

Efficiency is a good point, but other than that those statements are just silly. Why does it need eyes? The ACE system is cool (multiple color/combo settings), but basically redundant under the lvl10, which all stock Xmags had... It uses a rechargeable battery that's quick to charge, and easily lasts several days of play, plus it came standard with car/wall chargers. They tend to last 6+ years.

Sure, in a world full of <$400 markers like the Mini and G3 it's "big" and "expensive" but was also a gen1-gun, as in it didn't get released, and then have 3 years of edits, recalls and modifications needed to get it up to snuff with its competitors (or functional in general). Quality construction pays for itself in the long run; high grade aluminum, quality anodizing, and careful construction means that you don't see 3 year old markers with worn edges and bad solenoids. The only thing that tends to go on Xmags? The plastic fire selector switch, after a few years, and the battery, after a few more.

To be honest, I doubt you've ever shot an X-mag. Have you ever held one? Believe me when I say that it's NOT the same as your E-mag. Try propping one up next to a DM9... Sure it's not as anorexic as a modern ego, but it certainly isn't as heavy as many of its contemporary high-end electronics, and it isn't really that much bigger than most of the modern ones... If "smaller and lighter" are the only measure of a guns worth, then sure, you're absolutely right, but air efficiency aside it's one of the most functional electronic markers made.

ever shoot a lane with you emag? you will wish it had eyes. the loader will skip, and you will have a nice 3 shot gap in your lane from the first puff, the second pull to snap the bolt back, and then the the next pull will actually be a shot. while lvl10 is great, the use of eyes is a much simpler situation, rather then make the bolt stroke not break paint, just stop the entire cycle before it starts. now, both is the best solution, but being a guy who plays with many blind guns (tribal, angel, Emag ..) eyes make life so much easier.

the G3 and mini are made of 6061. so that is a pretty dumb point. and the only thing that "wears out" on them is batteries (9volt) and detents, which the Mag wears out too. . the "quality of construction" argument is moot, they are made of the same stuff essentially. and then lets talk about level 10 foamies ....

and yes, i have shot an Xmag. they are not significantly lighter then my emag either. ULE body, ULE milled rail, cleaned up lowers, X valve ... easily within a couple ounces of the Xmag.



i simply get tired of the apologetics. AKA has them, AGD has to many of them, cocker kids are teh same way ... blah, they annoy me. mags are great guns, i own 3 of them, i rock them on a very consistent basis. but they aren't as good as whats being made now. simple as that. i love cockers too, but you wont see me saying they are better then anything made today. because they arn't. none of these guns are.

the reason i shoot them and love them is because of how imperfect they are. modern guns are boring, no kick, nothing to tune, don't break paint, much more efficient, faster, lighter, and smaller. and when it comes down to it, if you in it to win it, you should probably have one of those. but half the fun of paintball for me is playing with a disadvantage. i play pump on a regular basis for that reason too. that is part of the fun for me. i enjoy the feel of a nice mech trigger, and the history and whatnot.

THAT to me is the reason to shoot old guns. if you try to excuse away all the reasons its not good enough you are selling the gun short. the gun doesn't NEED to be as good as anything modern. and frankly, i don't want them to be as good, because that takes away the reason to shoot them.

but im not an apologetic. i don't need to make excuses for my equipment choices. on the whole of it, i shoot crappy guns. and i like it, thats why i like them.

just some of my credentials:













i also have a 15 part series on youtube with a total of over 25,000 views dedicated to my love of old school guns. don't try to bull **** me.

[Cyberious]

Wangforce continues to pwn. Alas, Master Wang rarely graces us with his presence and has not initiated any new recruitment for quite some time.

Yes I was initiated my Master Wang himself. I still face a Wang Force sticker on one of my hoppers

[JKR]

"Better" is a subjective thing. I used to ride mountain bikes alot (and race once in a while) and there were guys out there riding rigid bikes and single speeds. Why? Because they wanted to and preferred them. Sure they were inferior technologically to full suspension bikes with disc brakes and high end gears/shifters. Were they "better" in they eyes of the guys riding them? Nope.

Enjoy what you like and make no apologies for shooting it...

[NoForts4Me]

but im not an apologetic. i don't need to make excuses for my equipment choices. on the whole of it, i shoot crappy guns. and i like it, thats why i like them.

Old does not equal crappy, if that's what you are implying. I don't see a crappy gun in any of the pictures you posted. They may be limited in one way or another (or not, depending on your point of view) but not crappy.

Anyway, OT, welcome back. I've been mostly out of paintball for about 3 years due to lack of people to play with, and was surprised at some of the changes, both good and bad.

[CatoRockwell]

Honestly one of the main reasons I have my mags is that I love how customizable they are. I love having a unique gun. My lvl 10 works great, and my Emag has never had the issue that cockerpunk said about chuffing, but I think that's in part to the prophecy loader. Anyway, he is right, they are more inefficient, and bulkier, but they are fun as hell to shoot. Having a custom Mag or Cocker is like customizing a vintage Camaro or mustang. Sure it isn't as technologically advanced, but there's just something about them that makes them sexxy and fun as hell to have.

I have 2 custom markers being finished at the annodizer right now, one is a E-Tac the other is a Valhalla Viking. While I think the Valhalla is on par and probably better than any other marker on the market, thats not why I'm getting them made. It's because I love the unique, and it's fun to have a project that is all yours, hard to do that with most of the new markers out there.

[cockerpunk]

Old does not equal crappy, if that's what you are implying. I don't see a crappy gun in any of the pictures you posted. They may be limited in one way or another (or not, depending on your point of view) but not crappy.

Anyway, OT, welcome back. I've been mostly out of paintball for about 3 years due to lack of people to play with, and was surprised at some of the changes, both good and bad.

im not implying that old is crappy. there are plenty of new crappy guns out there, and plenty of old guns that arn't crappy. the alias for example is a 6 year old gun now and it still keeps up with best of anything made. the quest is still a kickin gun. even as far back as the 2k2 timmies, those guns aged VERY well.

[phizz]

no, they don't short out. low voltage+ hard to get water in the frame = more then fine in the rain. not to mention, no one plays rain. .

Umm how do you know they are fine in the rain if you never play in it?

I play in the rain quite often