What makes the Autococker such a Great Gun?

[Panzerr]

I love my mag too, but I cannot deny what I see. My eyes aren't lying to me.

Cockers have a different trajectory than mags. As do angels. I hear a lot of people talk about how they cannot defy the laws of physics. I hear talk of elves and WGP voodoo. Well, it must be voodoo 'cause I see a flatter trajectory.

[Nitroduck]

OK , here's a lil something.

I own a cocker ,and i've owned about 8 barrels for it. The ONE thing i do find that is interesting is.... If i do not match paint on my cocker , and take a mag , angel , or bm2k , and mismatch the paint ,the cocker is a lil more accurate. I believe this happens because the ball is already in the barrel and doesn't move, and becuase it doesn't move it doesn't spin as much as a open bolt gun with mismatched paint. Now take any gun , match the paint, it'll shoot the same , my angel , cocker , defiant , and mag all with matched paint WILL shoot the same. They all stack paint at 130ft :)

[Panzerr]

I'm not talking about accuracy. I'm talking about trajectory.

[Butterfingers]

I want you to do this for me. Change the barrel on the mag or cocker so that they are the same length front to back. Chrono both guns to the same velocity. Tape a 1x1 peice of wood to the top of your mag. This order is very important don't chrono then chage barrels. This will change the velocity.

In addition wear earplugs swishes always go farther and shoot flatter than pops. Psycological perception.

Fire and see which is flatter...

The same flight path looks diffrent given the point of refrence.

Flatter trajectory is physycally impossible. Unless your gun has a way to reverse the earths gravitational feild.

If you think your gun honestly shoots flatter I suggest applying for the nobel prize in physics. Because it breaks just about every projectile motion rule defined in modern science.

[HyperSnyper]

Originally posted by Panzerr
Cocker DO have a flatter trajectory. Go shoot one. Unless you're blind, you'll see a difference between their trajectory and a mag's. It's flatter.

Elven Physics? A new breed of physics where fantasy meets science?

-Hyper

[HyperSnyper]

I see the reason why RT sold his Mag (but hes getting another one - hoot) and I see a pattern. I think people just get bored with their guns and move on. They'll get a Spyder, then a Mag/Cocker, get tired and get a Shocker, then want to get an Angel. What's wierd is alot of people at my field, after getting an Angel and playing with it for so long, I notice alot like to play stock pump more often then their semi's. Wierd.

So is that the evolution of the paintball player?

Pump -> Blowback -> Hi-end Semi -> Electro -> Hi-end electro -> Pump

HAHAHAHAAHA! I love this!

-Hyper

[DC Nelson]

On the flatter trajectory issue, i think that nitroduck is exactly right. (plus i love his sig pic...hehe)

Ive shot a mag and a cocker next to each other, using 12 inch dye ss barrels, firing marbs.
BOTH get the same trajectory.
Both have similar groupings on the shots.
Both have similar range (both crono at same fps).

We have a standard upgraded cocker and an sto, and a rf classic mag and an rt to mess with.
They all get the same trajectory, range, and shot groupings.
There are differences in the firing, but thats it.
The cockers have different feels to the trigger pulls, and the rt can go reactive...

I still think that the main appeal for cockers is the tinkering factor. I love to mess with my cocker (even when i dont need to), just because its fun.

DC

[Panzerr]

So let's hear some of these physics everyone is preaching.

[~WarpedRT~]

Got your proof right here

http://home.surewest.net/hoelkers/dyrgcmn/pballMstrEqns.html

Right theres your equations, and this ends the debate. Try it yourself, and don't think from now on you can scare anyone with asking for proof, because I have it. The entire site is your proof. Cockers have no more of a flatter trajectory than a Talon, shooting the same velocity. Hows that for an insult?

[cphilip]

OUCH! the truth hurts!

[~WarpedRT~]

It sure can!

[mykroft]

Why I like the Cocker:

1. Looks, the base gun is rather nice, milling options are by far the most extensive of all available guns, matching front block is nifty.

2. Trigger. The Slide trigger is really nice if you can get used to it, the hinges are even better. IMHO the Eclipse Hinge/STO 3-Way gives the best trigger available on a marker today, the Matrix being close second.

3. Efficiency. Try and find a more efficient gun than a well tuned cocker. The efficiency of the cocker is a big win all around, especially if you pay for fills, or have problems getting a full fill. Try playing a game with an RT when you are only getting 1500 a fill and have a 48/3k system.

4. Chopping. The cocker can be set up so the front pneumatics cycle at so low a pressure that you aren't going to chop anything. The finger in breach trick is possible, I've done it on a tuned Freeflow. Of course you can't shoot it very fast that way, it's a trade off.

5. Customizability. I can make MY cocker, and it won't be like anybody elses cocker.

6. Intimidation Factor. A high end cocker is so easily recognized that it's intimidating when you walk on the field with one.

7. Lack of Intimidation. A stock cocker is a real sleeper with a few upgrades.

[Panzerr]

[sniff]I'm deeply hurt[/sniff]

Gotta love how someone with a different opinion/experience/observation gets ridiculed around here.

Apparently, I must be on crack or something.

[mykroft]

Panzerr,

The trajectory may look different, but it isn't. The Cocker body extends higher above the barrel centerline than the Mag's body does, this gives an appearance of a different tragectory than from a Mag, you probably also hold the cocker at a different angle than your RT. One thing I do like about the cocker is how well it points. The only way to get a different trajectory out of a gun is to induce backspin on the ball, this is how a Flatline works, as well as a Z-Body, anybody who says different does really need to bone up on their physics. Numerous tests have proven that the cocker doesn't do anything wierd to the paintball. The simple answer to accuracy is that it all depends on consistency of projectile speed out of the barrel. Given a good paint match and an equally consistent gun, you will have equivalent accuracy. Cockers are very consistent out of the box, often cronying in at +/-1fps, they're easy to aim and a stable firing platform (recoil doesn't bounce the gun around much), so they are accurate, an RT set up just as well, with a superbolt to reduce recoil, will be just as accurate, so will my Defiant, or a well tuned Stingray running HPA.

[Hysperion]

even with my current beauty i can't stop eyeing a blue sfl autococker with a shocktech double finger swing trigger....*drool*
warped sportz dark blue dark ir3 angel *must have* *drool* i might get all 3 :).....already got a purple 2k1 angel fly-2 on the way...but I got a great deal on that one.....