Stolen RT

[1stTarget]

From locked store room in my house, Binghamton NY, suspect daughters boyfriend.Pictures of snow flake:

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[Sc0]

Well, you know who it is... so maybe call the police and press charges before it gets out of "his" possession?

[Skeeter]

Well, you know who it is... so maybe call the police and press charges before it gets out of "his" possession?

Or just kill him, recover the Mag, and discard the body... The Robert Moses Causeway seems to be a popular place for disposal...

[Frizzle Fry]

It's a fairly unique marker, and would have been even back when there were at least a couple R/Ts on every field... The best place to unload it is here on AO or MCB, It'll show up. In the mean time, use ELITEDEALSEEKER.COM to see if it's posted on the other forums.

[paint magnet]

Damn man, sorry to hear about this. Hope they catch this bum so you can get your gun back and smack him in the head with it.

Don't forget to check pawn shops; not everyone who steals paintball stuff knows what they're getting and would probably not bother to go to the trouble of researching it and listing it online.

[1stTarget]

It is found, but. If I take possession:
!. Have to buy it back from insurance company.
2. Kid who worked and saved to buy a good marker looses both money and marker.
3. I have recently come into a Bench Mark framed RT.
4.Weeks of hassle.
Or :
1 Sit down with Dad, let him know the story.
2. Leave, leaving marker with it's new owner.
3. Realize there are more important areas of life other then things.
4. Trust God to sort it out.
5. Be the kind of man I saw in my Dad when I was a kid.

Guess which choice I have to make.

[OPBN]

It sucks for the kid who bought it, but honestly, I would go the first route. Sometimes you have to learn lessons in life and one of them would be not to buy stolen goods from shady characters on CL.

Actually, the more I think about it, this sounds odd. If the marker has been recovered, wouldnt the police have it? If this is the case, is the kid going to get it back or will they police sell it at a public auction? I've never heard of the police finding stolen goods and leaving them with the person who buys them.

If you're saying you just know who has it, and the police havent been contacted yet, I would totally disagree. The a-hat that stole the marker should be punished. Not calling the police gives him a green light to continue the wrong behavior.

My .02.

[Frizzle Fry]

If you're saying you know who has it, and the police havent been contacted yet, I would totally disagree. The a-hat that stole the marker should be punished. Not calling the police gives him a green light to continue the wrong behavior.

I've heard this one before - "It's stolen? I bought it off Craigslist for cash! I knew that guy was sketchy... Shame there's no record of it." How old is this kid? How'd you find the marker?

I would go talk to them; at least let them know about what happened. If the kid is nice about it, it's a good warning about the risks of future transactions on Craigslist, and leave him the the gun. If the kid is a cocky little ****head, tell daddy you want the marker back and maybe just maybe you won't call the cops.

It's always good to be a good person, but there are times when you need to be firm about things and when it comes to lies and theft, I'm sure your father wouldn't think less of you for taking the time to evaluate the situation a little bit more depth before you make a final decision.

[halB]

It is found, but. If I take possession:
!. Have to buy it back from insurance company.
2. Kid who worked and saved to buy a good marker looses both money and marker.
3. I have recently come into a Bench Mark framed RT.
4.Weeks of hassle.
Or :
1 Sit down with Dad, let him know the story.
2. Leave, leaving marker with it's new owner.
3. Realize there are more important areas of life other then things.
4. Trust God to sort it out.
5. Be the kind of man I saw in my Dad when I was a kid.

Guess which choice I have to make.

Way to be a victim buddy. Way to make everything easier for the thieves.

Do you HONESTLY believe that the purchaser of your gun did not know that the gun was stolen? Of course he did! Your daughter's boyfriend is, in all likelihood, some rat who steals all sorts of stuff, and is known for selling his crap off for cheap.

When you buy stolen merchandise, you know it's stolen merchandise. This innocent "kid" who purchased your marker bought stolen property - that's a crime. Hell, if it wasn't for this purchaser, your marker might not have even been stolen. Boosters often take orders, go out, and steal for their customers, at their customer's direction.

Turn the purchaser in, turn the kid in. Full penalties. Your house was violated. Your daughter was made to look like a fool. Discord and disharmony has been forced into your house. If this thief and this purchaser aren't dealt with harshly now, their lives are not going to be improved.

I have no patience with thieves, nor those who buy from them. When I was in highschool some of the more scabberous persons I associated with would approach me and ask me if I wanted to buy such and such, and it was a great price. I knew it was stolen. Only a moron wouldn't know. Your thief had to sell that gun quick quick quick - I bet he flipped it for just 50 or 75 bux. And this purchaser didn't know?

Seriously buddy, don't be a rollover. Don't make this world worse for everyone else. Do the RIGHT thing, and report all of them. Hell, I'd take a good hard look at your daughter - do you really think she didn't see that punk walking out of YOUR house with YOUR marker?

[halB]

It is found, but. If I take possession:
!. Have to buy it back from insurance company.
2. Kid who worked and saved to buy a good marker looses both money and marker.
3. I have recently come into a Bench Mark framed RT.
4.Weeks of hassle.
Or :
1 Sit down with Dad, let him know the story.
2. Leave, leaving marker with it's new owner.
3. Realize there are more important areas of life other then things.
4. Trust God to sort it out.
5. Be the kind of man I saw in my Dad when I was a kid.

Guess which choice I have to make.

Oh - and you would only have to purchase it back from the insurance company if the insurance company already cut you a check for it, which would be odd, because the value would be less than your likely deductible. If you want to get it back, file a motion in replevin. (Although paying whatever finder's fee there is to the insurance would probably be a whole lot cheaper and quicker. It's just a motion in replevin is a wonderfully fun motion, evoking images in the filer of pregnant cows.)

[Justus]

Based on the info the OP gave us, I'm not so sure I can a) jump to the conclusion that the kid with the marker now knew that it was stolen - I mean, it surfaced 9 months after it was stolen, and b) jump to the conclusion that the OP wouldn't press charges against the thief if he could prove who actually stole the marker.

I think what he's saying is that he's fairly sure that the kid is a bona fide purchaser, having not known of the conversion of property. If the kid cooperates in helping find the thief, great. If the OP already has a new RT with Benchmark frame paid for by insurance, then great. We're just missing too many pieces of the story to make any real conclusions about this stuff.

Remember, it's not about what you know, it's about what you can prove.

[1stTarget]

Frizzle: did not show up on Craigs list. Person who has it is a player at a nearby(60=miles) field. As to type, he listens, plays well and is a standup no matter who he is with. Dad is a local to that area farmer, on a 3rd gen farm.
Op: Thief is upstate in a secure max, so he is paying. And a police report on the marker is on file.
halB: See above. And deductible was under $300. Received $1385 from theft, many multiple items missing. Insurance valued marker at $400 after depreciation. So no it all you need to learn to tone down you responses. So you are batting 0 so far. If found I would need to buy it back. Approximately $250. So cost is a factor. Still batting 0.

[Drix]

I think what he's saying is that he's fairly sure that the kid is a bona fide purchaser, having not known of the conversion of property. Remember, it's not about what you know, it's about what you can prove.

Ignorance of the law is not an excuse; Get your gun back, teach a kid an invaluable lesson, offer to pay him to mow your lawn for the summer.

With that being said there are a lot of missing pieces to this puzzle I agree, but this kid should be able to provide details of from whom and when he purchased this gun, and technically should have a written reciept for it.

[Justus]

Ignorance of the law is not an excuse

Yeah, except we're not talking about "ignorance of the law", we're talking about a bona fide purchaser who buys a piece of property for appropriate value. Under common law, the BFP is protected from third party claims.

And as for a written receipt, how often do you get a receipt for something purchased second-hand at a garage sale? It's generally not required in that type of situation. Now, some States/municipalities are enacting ordinances and laws that require documentation of all purchased property, but it's not everywhere.

[Drix]

And as for a written receipt, how often do you get a receipt for something purchased second-hand at a garage sale?

Anything I'm paying over $100 I get some form of reciept unless I've done my homework on who's owned it (rare paintball pieces I usually do my homework to find its forum trail)