Fully pneumatic production marker?

[OPBN]

Been fiddling around with my pneuMag setups over the past couple of weeks. Still tweaking, but getting close where I want to be on them. I starting thinking about it though, and was wondering why are there no fully pneumatic production markers out there? Or are there and I am not aware of them? If I understand properly an AC is pneu assist, but still essentially a sear tripper right? Has it not been pursued due to the ease of using electronics? Seems like there would be a niche market for such a thing. And not something retrofitted, but an actal marker designed from the ground up.

Thoughts?

[BTAutoMag]

Nova, Enmey



oooo how I miss Novas

Edit: I would love to see a full pnuemag production model

[OPBN]

Ok, cool. Never heard of the nova.

[KurtPB]

Not the Envy, the eNMy or something like that. I would personally love to see BL somehow make his MVP pump into a mech-pneumatic marker.

[dboggs79]

I was doing some fiddling myself about a year ago and came up on a build idea myself. Ive yet to start it, but I've accumulated most of the parts. I'm gonna replace the hammer in the lower tube of a cocker bodied pump with a mpa3 ram. My only concern is if I can get the operating pressure of the valve within the capable range of the ram to open it properly. Not sure if this is what you were looking for. It would be somewhat of a pneumatic replacement for an mq setup. Which if I'm thinking correctly isn't pneumatic at all.

[OPBN]

^^ Thats not production. Enmey sounds like what I was thinking of, but doesnt look like it comes with a double trigger, so still not the end result I would want. And guessing even if they did come out with a double, with 1lb force required, it woud not be walkable.

Maybe I should be more clear. Why hasnt anyone come out with a walkable fully pneumatic production marker?

[KurtPB]

Yeah, it's a start. Would almost be a fun toy to pick up and screw around with. Might be interesting to see if DW comes up with any bodies/frames for the thing, though.

[BTAutoMag]

i own an enmey and they are titts!

[dboggs79]

^^ Thats not production. Enmey sounds like what I was thinking of, but doesnt look like it comes with a double trigger, so still not the end result I would want. And guessing even if they did come out with a double, with 1lb force required, it woud not be walkable.

Maybe I should be more clear. Why hasnt anyone come out with a walkable fully pneumatic production marker?

Sorry, missed the production part of it. I guess you could find the answer after answering another question. Why did it take so long for someone to build a pneumag to begin with? Evolution comes in steps. TK and AGD were one of the few to ever skip steps in that regard. Pioneers don't create what we use now. They create what others base their products off of. Sorry, went a bit long with that.

[OPBN]

^^ not sure I get your point. All I am asking is why no one has come out with a walkable fully pneumatic marker? I don't care if its a Mag or not. The Enmey is close, but not quite there. Seems doable.

[dboggs79]

My point is, that the pneumag hasn't been around for a long time when you consider the age of the marker. It is a fantastic modification. But, still a relatively new idea. Its gonna take time for that to gravitate over to other production models. How often does a truly new technology or idea ever come out? Year after year, manufacturers release a new product that can hardly be called new. Visually, it maybe slightly different but not groundbreaking. Production, markers are just now really breaking into air-thru frames. This will be almost mandatory for a fully pneumatic marker. My opinion, but I don't see people flocking to a "new" marker that has a lpr hanging off the side of an asa.

[OPBN]

My point is, that the pneumag hasn't been around for a long time when you consider the age of the marker. It is a fantastic modification. But, still a relatively new idea. Its gonna take time for that to gravitate over to other production models. How often does a truly new technology or idea ever come out? Year after year, manufacturers release a new product that can hardly be called new. Visually, it maybe slightly different but not groundbreaking. Production, markers are just now really breaking into air-thru frames. This will be almost mandatory for a fully pneumatic marker. My opinion, but I don't see people flocking to a "new" marker that has a lpr hanging off the side of an asa.

First, Pneumags have been around since at least 05 or earlier if I am not mistaken. I know there were production frames offered in 07 offered by an aftermarket company, so I am assuming home jobs predated this by at least a few years if not more. And this has really nothing to do with my question. I'm not asking about a production Pneumag offered by AGD since that will NEVER happen. I am wondering why no one has ever produced any fully pnuematic marker of any sort. Obviously, I was wrong is thinking they hadn't as evidenced by the Enmey. However, this still doesn't add up to a walkable pnuematic triggered marker. The technology of pneumatic triggers really isn't new. Heck Autocockers utilized 3 ways an such.

And a fully pneumatic marker wouldn't have to have an LPR hanging off it, especially if it was designed from the ground up. Heck, neither of my pneumags has an LPR hanging off the side for that matter and they are obviously retrofits. The Enmey doesnt have one either and if the retards at GOG can figure it out, I am sure much smarter people than them should be able to come up with something awesome.

I have a feeling the answer lies in the ease of doing the same thing easier with electronics and the precision that would be possibly required for such a marker. Also, a fully pneumatic frame can't be capped, nor could it have competed in the unlimited BPS wars that ensued over the past 10+ years. I would venture a guess that fully pneumatic systems would also simply be too complex for most 13 year olds wanting to spray 25bps right out of the box.

[BTAutoMag]

The Enmey doesnt have one either and if the retards at GOG can figure it out, I am sure much smarter people than them should be able to come up with something awesome.

the foregrip is the LPR, the entire gun works at 190 PSI

[dboggs79]

That's what I'm saying. It took atleast the better part of two decades for the pneumag to arrive after the first mags were produced. The three way on a cocker has nothing to do with the triggers function, its just for chambering the next ball. I think you are on the right track when it comes to not being able to cap a pneu'd trigger and ease of use of electronics. Even if that weren't the issue, im just saying the pneumatic trigger, as used in a similar fashion to the pneumag, is relatively new. Seven or eight years doesn't, in my opinion, make for old technology in a sport that is thirty years old. Especially when being compared to marker manufacturing progress as a whole in that time period. I'm not disagreeing with anything you said, just looking at it from a different perspective I guess.

[OPBN]

I guess too that the Automag design problaby lends itself more to a pneumatic setup than some other markers. Anyone ever tried a PneuSpyder?