Some People Never Learn

[Bunny]

Frizzle Fry: The most interesting part of that thread wasn't the two examples, it was the fact that RobAGD and BlackVCG (AGD Techs from early 2000s) had so many issues with Micromags that they didn't even want to bother with them anymore. I could only imagine how many mags they worked on back in the day....

I'm not trying to troll PTP by any means; I actually really like a lot of their products. It just frustrates me that there are so many people willing to pre-order parts only to have them come out with crappy tolerances or not come out at all... The "people" who never learn are the customers, not the manufacture.

[Frizzle Fry]

Yikes.... what a mess! Luckily they will replace all the bodies.

Btw, I have always been under the assumption that Proteam Products were never up to AGD specs. There is always something "different" about them. Check out this thread to see what people were doing in 2001 about their Micromags/eMicro's. Check out RobAGD and BlackVCG comments about it.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?5749-Disgusted-with-Pro-Team

You are right, some people never learn....

I have never had a problem with anything other than the 2009 Micromag (and obviously the 2013 Autococker) and I have owned over 100 markers over the years, purchased both new and used.

It's funny that you mention "AGD specs" being that the Emag frame was a joint effort between AGD and PTP, and that the "AGD spec" for unibody markers by AGD Europe was inherently tied to the PTP design. That thread was from 2001; the Emag frame only came into being in late 2000 - troubleshooting and field testing is a process that almost never ends before a product is released.

You have there two examples of markers where the tolerances were off, and there are thousands of examples of their markers between 1992 and 2004 that worked fine. There are enough variances with any production marker that there will be bad units that make it past QC without being caught... And it seems like they tried their hardest to fix it, and made it right in the long run.

In the last few years, I can remember...

Angel A1 - Bolt snaps, launches out barrel (RECALLED)

Tippmann A5 - Back cap snaps, launches hammer (RECALLED)

Bob Long Vice - Bits of metal lodged in walls of lower tube (REPLACED)

Azodin KAOS - Bolt snaps, launches out back (NOT FIXED, NOT ACKNOWLEDGED)

BT SA-17 - Launches 12g cartridges in shooters face (RECALLED)

Vanguard Creed - Where do I start? (NOT FIXED, OPEN-ENDED DISCLAIMER ADDED)

Dangerous Power "anything" - Where do I start? (NOT FIXED, NOT ACKNOWLEDGED)

Machine Vapor - Where do I start? (NOT FIXED, OUT OF BUSINESS)

[Bunny]

Yikes.... what a mess! Luckily they will replace all the bodies.

Btw, I have always been under the assumption that Proteam Products were never up to AGD specs. There is always something "different" about them. Check out this thread to see what people were doing in 2001 about their Micromags/eMicro's. Check out RobAGD and BlackVCG comments about it.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?5749-Disgusted-with-Pro-Team

You are right, some people never learn....

[Ando]

but I feel the need to put some responsibility on rrfireblade,

All blame should be put on PTP for using him again. Why they did is beyond me. He f'ed up the 2k??? Mag bodies. Doesn't surprise me one bit he screwed this up too.


Another excellent product PTP. OutFreakingStanding!!!

[brokeass_baller]

Wait, what's going on? More crap work from PTP?

Such a freaking shame. Their work used to be that of legends.

[Drix]

I am almost asking if it comes with a t-shirt as well...

I think we should just be happy with our bonus stickers and call it a day

*edit*
I found our shirts

[mpsd]

Wow... Better wait and buy at half price after its delivered. I am almost asking if it comes with a t-shirt as well...

EDIT: I just saw the results. What's wrong with Tracy!?!? Didn't she have enough with us? And now they do it again?? What a shame...

[Drix]

I feel sorry for both parties on this, but I feel the need to put some responsibility on rrfireblade, I feel like this is one of those things you'd look for when prototyping- he seems to have lost his edge.

I love my PTP cocker and would have loved to have another, but I figured I couldn't go without that kind of money for two years with minimal results again *wince*

[going_home]

http://customcockers.com/forum/showthread.php?44242-URGENT!-FX-Cocker-Pump-Body-Kit

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.


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