Who Thinks That Hopper and Gun Hits Should be Outlawed for all Games?

[Hysperion]

Originally posted by Snooky: "i think that hopper and gun shots are needed so that paintball doesnt become laser tag where u can hide ur sensors and go unharmed."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Hysperion]

Originally Posted by Kaiser Bob: "Classic mag diss? Since when did not owning a SFL make you a newb!"

Reread what I said and quit assuming idiocy....I stated,

"And the only people who don't want hand hits to count own classic mags, or worse and play like 1ce a month"

I was simply stating that most people new to the game own a gun like a spyder or tippman and that classic mags are high end for newbies. "Classic mags, or worse" I don't see many newbies shooting e-mags....they either pay for their gun themselves and buy a tippmann, pmi piranha, or classic mag with co2, or their daddy buys them an angel.....A classic mag was my first gun and I loved it, I would probably play better with a classic then with my sfl because I'm scared of getting it dirty/scratched

[Phil]

On our field we dont count hopper or gun hits. We dont allow blind shooting. If you use anything as a shield and it is hit you are out. You can take one shot in the chest or head and two shots in the arms or legs. Splatter does not count, you must feel the impact of a paintball. These rules work for us and we have alot of fun.

[cphilip]

Sounds like Pansy Ball...


Just kidding!

[Vex]

All right, Darnit!

This thread wasn't opened to be burned to a singe...

I may be stubborn in my ways, and I am, but I'm not an idiot...(quit laughing and saying "yes you are!")

I've actually been playing for what I consider to be a very long time--9 years. It doesn't matter how many tournaments you've played in, or what kind of hopper you have. In my experiences, I've certainly played on more "no gun/hopper hits counting" fields than vice-versa. I stated my OPINION (and we all have opinions...) that I did not like gun/hopper hits. I never said anything about hand hits--your hand is a part of your body.

I don't feel that your marker is a true extention of your arm/hand/body because, 1. Paintball guns don't have the accuracy of a real gun, therefore it's not nearly as important to think of your weapon as an extention of your arm, so that when you shoot, you actually hit your target. Yes, I've shot many guns throughout my life and NO, I'M NOT CLAIMING TO BE A GUN EXPERT!! But I do have to keep qualified on the M-16 and 9mm weapons every year as a requirement for mobility status, thanks to the Air Force.

Frankly, I don't understand why everyone thinks that I'm just this total moron for not liking gun/hopper hits that count. I've shot people in thier guns/hoppers many times--while they were out in the open! On all of the fields that I've played on, blind-firing is not allowed. Only pansies who have no manhood would blind-fire anyway. And if you are offended by this statement, then you're probably a wiper, too!

I've never protested a gun/hopper hit on me during a game if I know that those are the rules of the field. Rules are rules. I'm an extremely good sport when it comes to anything I do. I especially take pride in the fact that I consider myself a good paintball player. I've been around the block and I've seen every kind of good and poor sport there is.

My opinion, and I'll simply state it as such is: I personally think gun and hopper hits should not count. Tournaments are a different story, however. And, just to clear the air, I've never stated that they shouldn't count for tournaments. I guess what this all boils down to is: it's just up to the individual field.

But keep those opinions coming, and spray on AO!

[FooTemps]

OH! Now that you've cleared it up... LOSERS WOULD STILL USE THEM AS SHIELDS IF THEY COULD. Heck, I bet a lot of idiots would probably attach a piece of plywood to the revy to make it bigger. I mean, why not? It's just a "hopper enhancement modification" so it's legally still part of the hopper...

[cphilip]

Well the argument is that if a real bullet was to hit your gun in combat your gun would be shattered and therefore disabled and therefore you would be eliminated from the fire fight as well. So that logic extended to all equipment when the game of paintball evolved from Combat type situations. And still makes sense from that standpoint. But in Rec ball you play what the majority wants to play I guess.

[masterninja]

You are your marker, Your marker is you. Without you your marker is useless. You are useless without your marker. Nuff said.

[FatMan]

Stop talking about bullets and war!

Now this REALLY gets the fat guy PO'd!

Paintball is NOT war. It did NOT start as a war simulation. Most people who play paintball are NOT simulating war. War is a VERY different thing.

Paintball does NOT simulate the use of real guns and bullets to shoot people. Spend some time talking to someone with actual combat tatical experience and you'll find that almost everything you do in paintball is a BAD idea if you are dealing with REAL guns.

The rules of paintball are NOT based on what happens if you are shot with real bullets by a real gun in a real war. We have MORE THAN ENOUGH PROBLEMS with our image without you bone-heads going around saying that stuff. Get it out of your head! Painball is NOT war, and does NOT simulate shooting real guns at people.

Paintball is a game. As such the rules can be written HOWEVER YOU LIKE THEM. I have played in games where you can take multiple hits, where after being hit you can re-enter the game by various means, where guns hits don't count and also the traditional game where ANY hit anywhere counts.

If you and the people you play with agree on a set of rules - then play by them and have a good time. The problem I have with the original post is the author proposed to "outlaw" gun and hopper hits. Hey dude, play your game however you want but LEAVE MINE ALONE! I like the game the way we play it. I don't care how you play it as long as you enjoy yourself, but we are happy with our game - so leave it be.

The rules of paintball as played at most places evolved to deal with the various issues already pointed out - they make sense. There is no point in arguing them. The only real problem occurs if some players at one field want to use one set of rules and others want a different set. Hey guys, welcome to the human race. You are just going to have to work that out or don't play together.

Hey look, argue all you want about gun hits and hopper hits, that's fine with me, but leave the bullets and war out of it. Its just WRONG!

Play SAFE and have FUN,

FatMan

[cphilip]

Your soooo sensitive. Most folks seem to be about that part of the subject. It might not BE war but its a battle simulation or at least was early on. I agree its not something we want to encourage but a little reflection on its simulation of that is called for ocasionaly and amongst friends.

A lot of paintball scenarios (in fact almost all) are indeed recreations of famous battles or war conflicts. Like it or not FatMan! Take that!

[shartley]

I gots only one thing to say...

HeeHee

[FatMan]

Originally posted by cphilip
Your soooo sensitive. Most folks seem to be about that part of the subject. It might not BE war but its a battle simulation or at least was early on. I agree its not something we want to encourage but a little reflection on its simulation of that is called for ocasionaly and amongst friends.

A lot of paintball scenarios (in fact almost all) are indeed recreations of famous battles or war conflicts. Like it or not FatMan! Take that!

Yeah, I'm sensitive about that issue. It cheeses me off! I will agree that scenario games ARE war simulations - and that is where you will find many of the rules based on "real combat." Things like "medics" and so on. You're right we can't hide from that.

Once again, the ORIGINAL paintball games were NOT war based. That grew up later.

Still, what MOST people play is NOT war based and the RULES are not war based. And no, I don't think it is appropriate, even occasionally and between friends to go down that road in a public forum. Now if someone wants to run a thread about rules in scenario games I won't be the least bit offended - might even chime in - that that is not what this thread was doing (or at least it didn't seem to me).

Sorry Phil, but my hackles are up and I'm not backing down on this. War is a terrible thing where lives are ruined and things destroyed. Paintball is a game where people have fun. Battle recreations are something alltogether different - where people remember important events and those who died in them. Paintball scenarios are something I don't know WHAT.

So I've said my bit and now the rest of you who think I'm crazy and go on and talk, sorry if I deficated on your parade.

Further Deponent Sayeth Not!

FatMan

[cphilip]

Hey! I got it! An Idea for a Scenario Game that is not battle related at all. Break this steriotype right up! here is the plan...

We call it "Peoples Park".

Thats right! It will be set in 1960's Berkley California. One team will all dress like hippies and take over a piece of land destined to be a parking lot and liberate it from this evil fate. And smoke dope and sit around having free love and planting flowers. the other team will be the College administration and apose them. Should be safe right?

Oh wait we gotta problem here. The College Administration called in the National Guard and we are going to have a big meeting about this. Lets see what happens...

Anyone of you young kids remember the historical outcome of this peacefull demonstration?

[cphilip]

Originally posted by FatMan
Still, what MOST people play is NOT war based and the RULES are not war based.

Then why do we all die and go to the dead box?

And no, I don't think it is appropriate, even occasionally and between friends to go down that road in a public forum.

Absolutely disagree with that. What better place to debate this than in a Paintball Forum?


Is admirable that you want to distance ourselves from this connection and certainly nessicary for the future of the sport. But it is never going to be so disconnected from it from mear protestations and denials. In fact it's your point to not even talk about it that interests me the most. And confuses me at the same time. That probably would make more people suspicious of the link who didn't know better. I do not agree that scenarios games are played to honor anyone. Shatnerball? Gimme a break dude! I think they are indeed for the fun of the participants playing paintball. Reinactments with historical weaponry and costumes do what you are talking about. Not paintball scenarios. I think your foolin yourself on that one.

[TheTramp]

The first paintball games were called survival and the point was to take flags and hunt the other players down. Much more war like then a speedball game.

I can completely understand not wanting paintball associated with real gunfights but saying that there's no conection is simply wrong. Why do so many agencies use paintball to simulate real gunfights? There is a conection weather you like it or not.

edit: I don't like to play in games where gun hits don't count. Whenever I do I'll put my gun up over the bunker and just hold it there. Everyone unloads on it and a lot of paint gets wasted. When they stop to reload I come out and shoot them. This cheeses people off but I just say playing without gun hits on a speedball field is cheesy anyway. I could understand in a big woods field but if you are any good then the only thig to hit on a speedball field is you gun/hopper and a VERY little bit of your mask.