If you havent read the thread over on Inception you may not understand this thread.
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After just finishing my first Cocker, I find the opposite is true. I think Mags have all the fun. I find a lot less options for my Cocker, and less modularity which limits choices. All the different parts available, new or old, do exactly the same thing. I don't feel the pulling addiction to keep constantly changing Cocker parts. Like, you just buy the Belsales ram and LPR, and you're done. What else do you need beside the MQ2, what would it really do? The E-Blade is perfect, out of the box. Why change it? Once you buy the an Inception body, would you ever swap it?
Let's look at the variety here?
Cockers:
1. mech pump - makes it a pump
2 mech pneu semi - electro pneu semi - shoots faster- no longer pump
3. half block - keeps back block from hitting your mask
Except for the one guy who made the pneumatic pump (very cool), that's all you have to really choose from: 3 things. The sub-categories between these 3 types of Cockers are all very similar, with the only variance being the efficiency, and feeling, such as the feeling of the CCM internals-smooth pulling. No matter what beautiful or new clothes that you dress the new Cockers up, and the new parts, they are not much different from their legendary ancestors in function. I.e. the old Karni body is cool, and the new Inception bodies are cool, but their functions are very similar. So all the variance is purely cosmetic, or aesthetic.
With Mags, the combinations are more extensive in regards to function. These mechanical choices below, all yield totally different guns. Since the combinations are more than just 3, and all parts being modular, you have more total combinations of guns that are totally different. You can spend your entire life, building and testing new Mag ideas --and make completely different guns, while your wife gets mad.
Mags:
1. X-Valve - has RT effect - light - air hog
2. X-Valve - no RT - calms you down
3. Classic Valve - has adjustable velocity thumb knob - heavy
4. Titanium Classic Valve - sparks green with static electricity
5. Pump - classifies gun as pump
6. Pneu or Electro frame - shoots faster - light trigger pull
7. Mech Frame - has bounce in trigger
8. SS body - allows line of sight down the body
9. 45, Angel, Z, Y, shape frames - changes ergonomics radically, and radical change in look of gun
10. twist-lock barrel option, allows insane accuracy have the breach built into the actual barrel - heavy
11. power feed - puts hopper below gun - get's it out of the wayComment
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Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.Comment
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There were over 100 M90s sold. I think how something sells depends on a bunch of variables. AO is NOT the only or probably even the best place to market something. AGD has a much greater reach than this forum does. If you have an AGD product you know how to contact them, but you probably dont know about this place.
Facebook is another good example. I have been taking work from people on Facebook who have no clue what this is here and really have no interest.
That all sounds good and would be cool but be careful what you wish for. A perfect example are those stupid sears and axle pins PTP uses. Good luck if you need one now. There is wisdom using parts that are common and readily available. There will always be Angel detents because AGD and a few other places makes them, ect ect ect..
It would be greatly beneficial for figure out how to reduce the complexity of manufacturing some parts. However, by doing so could also decrease their desirability too.Comment
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I think someone already mentioned this, but with cockers, there is a definite upgrade path of possibilities. On our beloved mags, almost all of these parts are not actually upgrades, but just visual/ergonomic changes.
One other benefit to cockers is my opinion is that i can pick up a block body for $25 and mill the mess out of it. If i jack it up, i buy another one and give it another go. So i have a practice body and the real one all for about $50.
I don't see many people trying custom milling on stock mag bodies (not much material).Comment
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Yes, and a slug mag body is about $180.Comment
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I was refering to Nemesis only.Originally posted by dano_____Comment
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There's really no reason why the AO community couldn't have a new from scratch made automag based gun. We would need to sell at least 50 to make it worth while. That would spread the design cost/setup time across a good number of parts to lower the cost. Maybe cougar could design and Luke and I could split the production to speed things up. Any things possible. A full 3D machined modern looking gun would run about $1400-1600 after you put a valve in it and get good anodizing. It wouldn't be cheap, but nothing good ever is.Last edited by Xmagterror; 10-08-2014, 12:32 PM.Comment
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