Q-Loader Mounting on Warp Body

[GoatBoy]

The problems with the ball stack "compressibility" are largely mitigated by keeping the hose length short. I've seen some people try to make some crazy looping setups, and that's just asking for trouble. Having a longer stack of paint due to longer hose increases the variability. A longer hose also takes more force to send paint through it, especially if it has kinks/bends in it. So people try to overcome that with the only tool they have in their toolbox: increase force (pre-winds). Vicious cycle.

I kept my hose as short as possible, so the stack variability is reduced. Since that required less force to feed, I reduced the pre-winds in all my pods. Less pre-winds = less force. Less force = less compression. Easier on the paint, more reliable, still capable of high ROF. Virtuous cycle.

The objective with hose tuning is to get it so you don't slice a ball when you remove a non-empty pod. Even if you do get it in such a half-state, you just take a shot to move the stack as you finish rotating the pod, and you'll be fine. And then once you realize this, you stop bothering with tuning the hose length in the first place.

Anyways, I can't fault anyone for ditching a Q-Loader for something more conventional. Just... do it for the right reasons.

You can use a CPVC 3/4" pipe coupling. I have used them as well as a 45* to angle it slightly. Here is a sample. . . .

Yikes... has that actually held up for you? That puts the pod close to a workable position, but ... I have this thing about using feed necks as structural components on guns.

One of the things I had on my list-of-things-I-will-never-get-around-to was remodeling the socket in Openscad and then 3d printing some new ones with proper/integrated mounting support.

[cockerpunk]

The problems with the ball stack "compressibility" are largely mitigated by keeping the hose length short. I've seen some people try to make some crazy looping setups, and that's just asking for trouble. Having a longer stack of paint due to longer hose increases the variability. A longer hose also takes more force to send paint through it, especially if it has kinks/bends in it. So people try to overcome that with the only tool they have in their toolbox: increase force (pre-winds). Vicious cycle.

I kept my hose as short as possible, so the stack variability is reduced. Since that required less force to feed, I reduced the pre-winds in all my pods. Less pre-winds = less force. Less force = less compression. Easier on the paint, more reliable, still capable of high ROF. Virtuous cycle.

The objective with hose tuning is to get it so you don't slice a ball when you remove a non-empty pod. Even if you do get it in such a half-state, you just take a shot to move the stack as you finish rotating the pod, and you'll be fine. And then once you realize this, you stop bothering with tuning the hose length in the first place.

Anyways, I can't fault anyone for ditching a Q-Loader for something more conventional. Just... do it for the right reasons.




Yikes... has that actually held up for you? That puts the pod close to a workable position, but ... I have this thing about using feed necks as structural components on guns.

One of the things I had on my list-of-things-I-will-never-get-around-to was remodeling the socket in Openscad and then 3d printing some new ones with proper/integrated mounting support.

yeah, i agree. frankly, i play semi automatic so rarely anymore, and when i do its with a variety of setups, so messing with it is the real reason why i ditched it.

take a shot as moving the pod? or after removing the pod? what, just to not have the whole system under compression on reloading? makes sense ...

[Ragu310]

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/mechanical-semi-autos/269484-warp-fed-y-frame-ule-mag-w-qpods%7Cprice-drop%7C%24550.html

Here's a mag with Q-loader set-up for more ideas.

[Loguzzzzzz]

Yikes... has that actually held up for you? That puts the pod close to a workable position, but ... I have this thing about using feed necks as structural components on guns.

Holds up just fine still use it that way on occasion, this is not my primary shooter but my primary uses that set as well just not all the time. I do put a hose clamp on to keep it from rotating.

[eelz]

Just thought I'd add to this that direct mounting of a Q-loader socket can be done.

Here's mine;

[G Squat]

I've figured ways I can use a clamp-on aluminum feedneck to secure it in the same fashion, but I didn't like how much stress that would put on bracket. Also, I really want it going back the other way. I'm looking into some options now, but still looking for a Q setup to buy too.