Problem Chopping new SFL Help! Lukes Friend and a new member

[E-SFL]

I am luke's friend the cocker guy that just bought my new mag. I was so excited that I stood up late with my wife watching the video and reading the owner's manual. I charged the battery for the gun in my car all night so I could play with it the next day. Woke up early the next morning I went to my father in laws house to show him, even he was excited. When I returned home I packed up everything and went to Luke's when I got there he was working on his mags I laughed and said he just needs to quit using junk. Then we went to the field and it began, the gun chopped wether or not I was single shooting or putting out a stream of paint. When we returned to the stagging area we tried everything paint, barrels, firing rate, trigger, and it seemed to me like I bought an expensive blender I was very disapointed I still love the gun but hate the problems Luke reassured me that you guys would not leave me hanging (AGD)He speaks very highly of the company and the products and I trust him and AGD.

[FooTemps]

Have you tried calling AGD yet? I think that someone there might be able to help you out.

[Load SM5]

Hey, welcome to AO and be assured, you did not purchase junk. I also own an SFL and with, the exception of one day when the weather was below freezing, I've never had breaking issues.

The first thing you should do is get a foamie on that bolt. That could solve a great deal of you problems. Call AGD and get them to send you some.

You may also want to back out your detent some. That helped me when I first got mine.

There's a thread already going on your problem with a few good suggestions. Check that out and be a little patient. AGD has a few good plans for the new E-mags that will be free to us SFL owners that will solve all of our problems.

[xmetal2001]

Heres what you friend posted for you:

Lukes Thread

[hitech]

Is it chopping (is there paint in the feed tube) or breaking paint in the barrel (no paint in the feed tube)? Chopping is a feed issue. Breaking in the barrel is a brittle paint, etc. problem.

[Panzerr]

Wow, your wife watched the entire video with you? What a woman!

[Hysperion]

Congrats on your purchase of the sfl :).....I guess I'm qualified to talk to you because I've had some problems with mine and AGD is always really helpful with fixing them (unlike wdp who has charged my friend $300 to fix a 5-month old angel fly-2 with 3k shots on it...) The first thing I would do is ditch the SuperBolt; it's crap. Put in the standard AGD Longnose foamieless and you'll solve alot of breaking problems. Second, if your gun doesn't have the Anti-Chop-Eye yet and it's giving you problems, call up AGD and ask them to install it. I never chop except when I forget to turn the ACE on :).......I know how bad it is to get a gun and for it to not work right away. My sfl wouldn't shoot in e or hybrid mode after 100 shots, I think the board fried, but I sent it in to AGD and they fixed it and installed the ACE, now I have virtually no problems except my halo jamming :).....I guarantee once you get it working right you will love it and you will never go back to that slide trigger crap on the cocker :).....I was 10x more excited about getting my sfl then I am about my dark ir3 I have preordered :) Good luck, you're not gonna need it because AGD will solve your problem.....

[AGD]

E-SFL,

My name is Tom Kaye and I am the president of the company. As you can see by coming to AO you get the advantage of a direct pipeline to the top.

First of all I want to appologize for your bad experience on your first day out. I would have been frustrated too.

Since you are describing a cronic problem I actually feel encouraged about it. If you were breaking 1 in 1000 balls it would be a much harder problem to track down. Since you ar shredding most of them there must be a simple answer.

If there is no paint up the feed tube then you are not chopping but breaking down the barrel. If there is paint in the feed tube then you are most likely double feeding and need to check the detent and the size of the paint.

Try loading one ball at a time in the feed tube and firing it. If they all come out all right then it is one of two things. Either you are double feeding or the bolt is nicking the ball waiting and cracking it. This causes the cracked ball to blow up in the barrel (sometimes).

Please read the tech tip on the bounce test so you know how to test your paint. Paint gets more brittle when it's cold and this can be a big source of problems. Your cocker is always going to be friendlier on paint at the expense of firing rate.

Please find the answers to these questions and report back here.

AGD

[Panzerr]

Is there a ring of paint around the edge of the barrel in the breech? A fellow AOer I meet this past weekend had a similar problem with his SFL. The breech wasn't out enough for the barrel. He said it was a simple fix-AGD just milled out the breech a little bit and bingo, no more problems. If your barrel twists in to lock the breech with only on or two twists, this may be the problem.

[luke]

Hey Bro, welcome aboard. (FINALLY)

Just want to say thanks to Tom and the rest of you guys for jumping right on this to help him (us) out.

So far the gun has been checked for "obvious" manufacture defects, such as nicks and burrs, misalignment of barrel to breach, & paint to barrel match checked out fine.

This evening we will check out the rest of what has been suggested. We will do a paint drop test, check out ball bobble/ pinching. So far I've have seen broken paint in the feed tube, breach, and down the barrel paint, but several times it was all three at once because he just continued to shoot after the first break. So, we will try and isolate that problem. I have standard and the longnose bolt so we will try those also. I believe the last suggestion was double feeding, or perhaps detent too tight. I also have a Warp to hook up to address any feed rate issues. (if necessary)

Please let me know if I missed something we should check.

He will have some results to post this evening or I will pick it up tomorrow morning.

So far you guys have given E-SFL a great welcome, I wish it were under different circumstances, but that's the way it happens sometimes. At least he will learn right from the beginning who's got his back. Hopefully we can convince him it was money well spent.

Again, thanks everyone

Luke

[kilaueakid]

Hey Panzer...what's up?

Just to make a correction....AGD did not mill my breach...that was something I had done.

That did seem to fix my problem, however, as I stated in another post. DO NOT HAVE THIS DONE to your breach at this time!! The space may be needed for a longer stroke of the bolt. I now have a spacer in there that replaces the material I had removed.

More info on this will come later.


kila

[311automag]

what does sfl stand for? i hear you guys talking about this gun all the time. thanks.

[[FE]Memnock]

It stands for "Super *explenitive* Light". It's a sub-series of light custom markers made by Shocktech.

http://www.buyshocktech.com

"Combining the design and machining skills of Danny Love with the technology and experience of Airgun Designs, Shocktech is proud to introduce its latest in the SFL series. The new SFL E-Mag utilizes a one piece aluminum body with vertical feed. The E-Mag uses a threaded barrel (it now accepts you cocker barrels) to reduce barrel vibration and increase accuracy. Also new on our SFL E-Mag is the ultra smooth and light weight Delrin Bolt. This electronic guns trigger can be switched from electronic, hybrid or manual, allowing your gun to work even if the battery dies mid-game. The Shocktech E-Mag includes the other features of a standard version, but has been machined throughout to reduce weight and size.Shown with optional Dye Barrel."
-Quoted from the Shocktech Website-

-Mem

[Temo Vryce]

SFL E-mag is made by Shocktech. AGD supplies them with the base E-Mag and body and they Mill and anno it. You might have to ask them what the SFL stands for. I hope this help you out. If I'm wrong I'm sorry for opening my big mouth.

[Panzerr]

Kila-thanks for letting me shoot your SFL. Angel Dave and I are totally sold on the E-Mag. The trigger is just too sweet. grrr