LX'less mags still chop?

[dahoeb]

We have found that once the L10 is set up correctly the mag will run for thouands and thousands and more thousands without a hiccup. I have never seen a more reliable gun than a mag with l10.

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

Hoppers are pretty freaking fast these days compared to revvies back when mags were at their peak. Have modern force feed hoppers made the Level 10 a little less of a necessity? For those still running level 7, how often are you chopping and breaking paint when you're using something like a Rotor or Spire.

I just bought an RT Pro thats Level 7, and haven't had a Level 7 valve for 15'ish years. I would like to keep it as mint as possible (at least for now) so I'm trying to figure out what I'm in for as far as chopping/breaks. Thanks.

Chopping paint has not been an issue for me when using a force feed hopper on powerfeed or centerfeed bodies.

I've been playing tournaments, scenarios, and recreationally on a monthly frequency for the past year using various lvl7 Automags.

However, anytime I'm not using a force feed hopper I switch to a lvl10 valve out of habit.

I no longer own a force feed hopper or lvl10. Glad the feedneck on this body hasn't been cut

See you on the field!

[dahoeb]

[TheRealKaz]

Idk, I've used a spire, rotor, and an HK hopper on my mag and have had the lvl10 save a few balls each day I play. Nothing major but one or two through out the day. The minimal decrease in efficiency is worth not having a chop IMO.

[Sandman]

For barrel breakage....no one has mentioned anything about detents or nubbins. Detents/nubbins are one of the biggest reasons guns break paint. A bad detent either on a ULE body or a bad nubbin in a barrel can wreak havoc and has nothing to do with the bolt. I could write an entire essay on the physics of ball breakage....but there can be no discussion about ball breakage without addressing detents/nubbins. I can say there is probably more importance to the position of the ball in the breach over what material the bolt is made of or what tip that is on it. Although, the style of the bolt itself can improve or worsen the balls firing position.

[TheRealKaz]

Interesting, so does one ball detent create less breaks then two?

[ghost flanker]

I haven’t tried cranking it up much past 300 fps, but I did swap out the modified bolt with an unmodified but otherwise identical bolt. Velocity increased from about 280 fps with the modified bolt to about 290 fps with the unmodified bolt (a classic RT barrel and Valken Graffiti were used). So yeah, there is a decrease in air efficiency with the modification, but it’s nothing drastic.

Also, I got ahold of some HK Tournament that was reliably breaking at a drop of 18-36 inches onto flat concrete. I tested both bolts with velocity adjusted to 280 FPS with about 50 shots each, but to my surprise, I could not induce a single barrel break using either bolt. More testing at a local paintball field may be needed.

[dahoeb]

Played a full day today in rainy, windy, 37F weather.... shot about 1.5 cases with my Level 7 RT Pro, not a single break in the breach or barrel. Granted, I was using a "winter blend" of GI paint, but the results are still promising.

[going_home]

Wow.

It was 85 here, started with a mag, it was a blender with the GI 5 star paint.

I don't work on guns at the field, switched to a CS2, no more issues.

Probably the missing foamy , or maybe detents not adjusted adequately.

[Gundam V]

Not too surprising before lvl10 came out mags shot just fine. Lvl 10 just made it better by eliminating chops and being more gentle on brittle paint. Lvl 7 bolt works great, lvl 10 just made it better.

Going Home, isn't GI 5 star relatively brittle paint that would benefit from lvl 10 usage?

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[going_home]

Yes very brittle.

Now that I think about that mag has never done well with brittle paint.

[Gundam V]

So it's a case of using the wrong iteration of the mag. In essence, using the wrong tool for the wrong job.

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[dahoeb]

My game play today.....mag shot pretty well.

[SWE HooK]

after my experimenting with LVL7 i had lots of chops and fund out that a small piece of mousepad rubber glued on to the tipp of my bolt i got rid of roleback and a tendency for the next ball in line to get choped so ther is one other thing to look for rolebacks.

[TheRealKaz]

after my experimenting with LVL7 i had lots of chops and fund out that a small piece of mousepad rubber glued on to the tipp of my bolt i got rid of roleback and a tendency for the next ball in line to get choped so ther is one other thing to look for rolebacks.

How did you look for roleback? I've never thought of doing that. Do you like put a couple paintballs down the feedneck over and over to see it?