**AO Research Team Test This Please**

[Load SM5]

Daytime temp = 75 dgrees
Weather conditions = partially cloudy, a little humid

Bounce Test all numbers= 5,4,2,6,11,11,1,3,5,6

Edge rating prior to sanding=7,sanded down to about 3

Total paint shot=1500
Total barrel breaks= none

Better than usual? = About the same, honestly. I rarely ever break a ball except for extreme circumstances. Below freezing temps.

[MantisMag]

i've got a superbolt with an edge that feels like a 6. i use RPS polar ice. i've put 2 and a half cases through it and gotten breaks twice. both times during the last game of the day. can't really figure that out. this is one of the original superbolts that's still kickin around. i got it used. don't know how much the original owner used it. i'm not gonna touch it though. i got a good thing and i don't wanna screw it up.

[AGD]

I didn't get much help on this one. For those of you who participated you will not be forgotten. For the rest don't come begging.

AGD

[Butterfingers]

Heres my data...

Superbolt: over 5000 rds FA testing and over 6000 rds playtime at 20 BPS no barrel breaks. 4 chops all during FA testing. The superbolt has a rounded edge I left a little delrin "raise" that looks like an "o-ring" that seals aginst the barrel. Testing was done at 250 FPS and it was very common to get 3 identical chrono readings in this range consecutively.

In case you are wondering Don has a similar setup without the rounded edge and he seems to be having ALOT more breakage than me. He has also gone through 3 superbolts if I recall correctly.

I rounded mine off from the start and knock on wood over 10K rounds later no SB breakage.

I just finished turning an edge on my SS bolts Ill let you know when I get the scuba filled.

If you want more details on our setup e-mail us at [email protected]

[BEEFYSAUSAGE]

sorry big guy

well i would have helped out but im in a real back water here and havent played a game or reffed a game for about a month (field sux here)..when i do i can still post results
but i can say i only shoot marbs or proball and rarely have breaks.. 1 in 2000 or so. Well good luck Tom hope you can do better with the tests....oh im using a short nose bolt and the edge would have been a 7 and im feeding from a vl 18v shreader hopper,
BEEFY.

[the123]

Duh!! I'm late.

Day 1
Daytime temp = 80
Weather conditions = Sunny, low humidity

Bounce Test all numbers= 5,3,3,6,7,2,8,8,4,6 Diablo Midnight

Edge rating prior to sanding= 8

Edge After Sanding= 3

Total paint shot= 2000
Total barrel breaks= 0

Better than usual? = Yes. Usually 2-4 breaks per case.

Comments: This is the stainless foamie bolt w/o the foamie--- Rounded by TK at factory.


Day 2
Daytime temp = 45
Weather conditions = Windy, Misty, Wet, RAW day

Bounce Test all numbers= 2,1,3,0,3,2,2,4,3,2 Nelson Anarchy

Total paint shot= 1800
Total barrel breaks= 1 (end of day)

Better than usual? = Yes.

Comments: Same bolt as test from day 1. Paint and gun were left in heated vehicle between games. Only player to have no problems on the team.

AGD E Mag
Warp Feed
Freak Barrel
Hyperflow Air

[the123]

I think this thread can go further.. Unless at this point this info is usless to AGD.

[Bonx0007]

Tom, I am one of the LA OPEN donut orgy attendies. It was my mag that you pull the bolt out when I told you that I was chopping alot without shortstroking and you told me that my bolt was a little too sharp you told me to sand it down. Previous to doing this sanding job I was breaking 1 in every 70shots maybe more, consistently. Now I did your mod and I went paintballing before I saw this post so I did not test the paint. I used Diablo midnight both times. and Actually my environmental stats are the same as toymysters because we went togther. The first day I did not chop until the end of the day when I realized that my wire nubbin broke.

the second day I went I shot over 2,500 rounds and I only had one break. I love my mag again. It treats me well. The beveled edge on my bolt is about as wide as the thickness of a nickel. I have a ss longnose bolt. I wish I had more info for you but I did no know that this was becoming a huge thing.
Also I played with a warp the second day. My velocity was 278 + or - 3 over the chrono at an indoor field. I think that all mag bolts produced from now on should get this rounding treatment. It did wonders for my gun. I plan on doing the same mod to my emag wghen it gets here.


the modification was done with a metal file the 150 grit sand paper and then i polished it with steel wool. I love it. O yeah I was also using plastic nubbins the second day.

I hope this helps.

[the123]

Daytime temp = 45 F
Weather conditions = 85% Humidity, overcast, mild wind

Bounce Test all numbers= 1,1,2,1,0,0,5,1,1,3 Diablo Inferno
Same bolt as previous tests. Rounded to about 2 or 3, minus foamie.

Total paint shot= 600
Total barrel breaks= 4

Better than usual? = No

Comments: Played about 6 games with the bolt with some breaks, then switched over to my Longnose foamie bolt that is not rounded and is about a 7 on the sharpness factor.
on Foamie Bolt:
Shot count= 1300
Total barrel breaks= 1

I also loaned my RT out to a teammate to use for a few games and put the 'test' bolt in it. They experienced 0 breaks in approximately 500 balls. Paint was Nel-Splat. (my RT almost always breaks paint in some fashion)

[luke]

I have no problems to report.

I wish I could of helped, but, I have had ZERO breaks with either of my Mags due to the bolt. I did have a few games several weeks ago when I had some trouble, but it was with my Warp, not the gun (bolt). I dialed the Warp in with the Intelli frame and can report no breaks. Besides those few games, both guns have ran flawlessly for 4 weekends (+) straight.

Approx. 5600 rounds @ 3-6 bounce (RP, Marbs, Team Colors) = ZERO BREAKS.

Long Nose rates around "3"
Short Nose rates around "6"

I'm running PF AutoMag and Vert. Feed MicroMag With and Without Warp, varying hoppers, Ricochet, Revy, & Halo.



I know this is not the info your looking for but under the circumstances (no problems ) it's the best I can do.

[Gecko]

Daytime temp = 60 F
Weather conditions = 10% Humidity, sunny, mild wind

Bounce Test all numbers= 5,6,4,5,3,4,6,5,5,4 Diablo Blaze
Long Nose Foamie Rounded to about 2 or 3

Total paint shot= 2000
Total barrel breaks= 0

Better than usual? = Yes

Comments: So kick ***, shooting long streams at absurd rofs with no chops or barrel breaks. I would normally get around 5 or 6 barrel burts a day but yesterday was awesome. Thanks Tom!


Emag #639
warp feed
halo
68 4500 nitroduck microreg screw in, input pressure around 800 psi
Gecko

[tomcat]

Thinking outside the box!

I am having awful problems with my emag with this issue. after reading AGD's experiment request I am going to try something a little different. I am going to glue an o-ring of the exact same circumference (SP?) as the front of the bolt to the front of the bolt. This will extent my short foamie bolt length a little reducing blowback, the NEXT ball will be hit by the o-ring and not the sharp edge of the bolt, AND the ball should conform easily into this foamie configuration.

That should kill a whole buncha birds with one stone.

I will post the results tomorrow...Now I just have to find some superglue!

[Load SM5]

Interesting idea but superglue, more that likely, won't hold. It seems too brittle. Maybe some sort of epoxy?

[Pand0ra]

A structural adhesive would work. Hard to find, but as strong as a weld.
I've used it to glue o-ring on glass. It's now totaly impossible to remove them without breaking the glass lol.

I'll make the test with the bolt sanded this week-end. I keep you informed.

@++

[rjvemt1]

i challenge anybody to name another pb company that puts as much work into refinin thier product as agd! thats why im automag for life! my gun is on loan this weekend (las vegas) but as soon as i get it back ill check the bolt. i dont get alot of barrel brakes though.