Disgusted with Pro-Team

[Russ]

The saga of my Micro E-Mag just took a turn for the worse. On 7-23 I sent it back to PTP because it would not fire in E mode (solenoid clicks, doesn't release the sear) I finally got it back today (8-13). Shot first hopper of paint through it, all is OK, second hopper, chop a couple balls (PMI Premiun's) and it begins to NOT FIRE in E mode (same problem, different day). I can't express to you all how upset I am. I really wan't this gun to work, but now I'm left with having to send it back to PTP, and they obviously don't know how to fix it! I will give them an earful in the morning!

Russ, in posession of $1,124 worth of beautifully annodized JUNK!

[Russ]

[Load SM5]

Or get an E-mag? They're even cheaper.

[This message has been edited by Load SM5 (edited 08-13-2001).]

[Russ]

An AGD E-Mag is still an option, but first I gotta get my money back from PTP. I hope that's not too much of a hassle.

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Micro E-Mag in Wild Tiger ~ Conquest 88/4500 ~ PTP Warp Feed
Spyder TL+ ~ LP ~ eLCD ~ AGD Flatline ~ Warp Feed
TL+ ~ a few mods
Bob Long Millennium
ICD ThunderCat

[Automag ReTro]

Stick with AGD, just get the E-mag instead of the E-micro. Who knows what they do to them over at PTP. Don't get an Angel. Nothing wrong with them, but in my opinon, and others, the E-mag is much better.

[RoadDawg]

As far as I can tell PTP just throughs the AGD Internals in an aluminum more compact frame that accepts cocker barrels. Tough break man. I would just go for a AGD E-mag. It is cheaper and probably better quality. Just my 2 cents.

Nick

[Russ]

Well I called Pro-Team today. They want to take another look at the gun. It seems to me that when the solenoid heats up a bit (say, after 300 or so shots) it becomes too weak to pull the sear down. The sear also seems to bind up in the body, as if there is a mis-alignment problem. I'll ship it back to them again tommorrow. The tech Earl says he will try another trigger frame to see if that helps. I wish he'd done that the first time. So the saga continues...

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Micro E-Mag in Wild Tiger ~ Conquest 88/4500 ~ PTP Warp Feed
Spyder TL+ ~ LP ~ eLCD ~ AGD Flatline ~ Warp Feed
TL+ ~ a few mods
Bob Long Millennium
ICD ThunderCat

[Tbone]

Good luck with that, keep us updated.

[Russ]

...and to add to the Saga,

Earl (the infamous Pro-Team tech) calls me today with "good news and bad news." The good news is that the power tube has come seperated from the valve body, and he THINKS that's the prob, (that's the good news?) Bad news, The gun has to go back to AGD because he can't fix it. He also says he can't replace the valve with a new one, because AGD's shipment of valves is 3 weeks behind. Also say's that they (PTP) can't replace the gun because they have no valves in stock, and thus can't build a gun for me. I hear what they CAN'T do. I'd like to hear what they can do for customer service. 4 weeks without the gun, 2 trips to PTP, 1 trip to AGD, and perhaps 2 or 3 more weeks to go before I get the gun back! PTP now blames AGD! Like I said before, the gun didn't fire right out of the box. Pro-Team Sucks.

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Micro E-Mag in Wild Tiger ~ Conquest 88/4500 ~ PTP Warp Feed
Spyder TL+ ~ LP ~ eLCD ~ AGD Flatline ~ Warp Feed
TL+ ~ a few mods
Bob Long Millennium
ICD ThunderCat

[DarkRipper]

In a related story, I sent my PTP warp feed to them for repair, because one of the legs on the blue adjustment pot was broken, and the warp didn't spin unless you held the white button down.

I sent it down after calling them.

2 weeks:
I call and talk to the main guy, he says that the shop that does the repairs is way behind on their work. At the time, I had the custom emag with built on warp, so no biggie.

3 weeks:
Same old song and dance, they can't figure out why the warps are taking so long.

4 weeks:
They are at a tourny all week.

5 weeks:
I pitch a fit, and am offered a new PTP warp in my choice of colors to make up for it.
I choose red, and am assured it will be shipped the next day.

5.5 weeks:
No warp, so I call down there and get the tracking number.

6 weeks:
My box from PTP arrives!!! Woohoo!!

Box opened:
Guess what? It's the same clear warp I sent down, with the same problem. As far as I could tell, it had never been touched.

I did my own soldering (which I should have done in the first place), and got it working. I then sold it to someone who immediately got Rob_AGD to do the angel mod to it.

Thus ends my purchasing career with PTP.


DR

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Owned a PF mag in 96.
=)

[Russ]

Sadly, when a PTP/AGD hybrid gun is bad, it reflects poorly on BOTH companies. Perhaps Tom needs to have a talk with his "Buisness associates"?

It's frustrating to have spent so much money on a product that has never worked right, and then get jacked around by everyone you speak with on the phone. (BTW, they have not responded to any of my e-mails)Damn, I'd REALLY like to get a refund on this POS, and get on with playing some paintball!

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Micro E-Mag in Wild Tiger ~ Conquest 88/4500 ~ PTP Warp Feed
Spyder TL+ ~ LP ~ eLCD ~ AGD Flatline ~ Warp Feed
TL+ ~ a few mods
Bob Long Millennium
ICD ThunderCat

[mykroft]

Umm, I had the Powertube separation problem on my ReTro, KayleAGD fixed it in about 30 seconds with some red loctite when I was at IAO. The powertube screws back on. I'm damned sorry you're getting jerked around like this.

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Mykroft Holmes IV
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My Mags:
CF11023, Classic Feed, 16" CP .689, 14" JnJ Stainless, Ring trigger, WGP Reg, Diamond Labs Ti Reg Adjuster.

VV00614(Valve)/VV00423(reg), Black Teflon HR Powerfeed, 16" SP AA,14" JnJ Ceramic, AGD Intelliframe Blade, Benchy Crossfire cradle/on-off, black foregrip, Macroline.
PMI 48/3K Preset HPA


"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch" R.A.Heinlein - 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress'

[Russ]

I agree about the red loctite, but I feel that "Earl" just doesn't have a clue about what's wrong, (I believe it to be a bad solenoid) and figures to blame AGD and send it off to them for repair.

[MajorDamage]

I would just send it directlt to AGD if they would let you. When I called them about my Pro-Team warpfeed they said they would fix it, so I bet theyd do it for ur Micro Emag too.

ENDO!

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[Bub3814]

well these posts killed any chance of me buying ANYTHING EVER from PTP...well atleast i now know...and i am sorry to the people that have been and are being jerked around by them...

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