WLIPP was a bummer...

[shartley]

[Tunaman]

I am appalled...

I am with you Sam...3 prizes to one person? AGD should have looked into this. I sat here like an Idiot for 8 hrs. Wife no too happy...never will again I promise that. A random drawing with one entry per person is the way to do these parties. One in 160 is much better odds and no one would have complained. Also, if I had some type of status, I would have banned at least 25 or 30 people for good, increasing the odds of winning even more. Black, Miscue, and Rob...I commend you for your efforts. Maybe next time...

[irbodden]

Sam-

Its not "fishy" he ADMITTED he used a mail bombing program. For one of the contests, you needed to be the 2000th emailer, and ofcourse "Brian" won, he than was bragging in the chat how he sent 1500 of those 2000 emails, and how he flooded it so fast everyone elses bounced.

I am not being a "sore loser", I could careless if I win- I didn't expect to, but when some new member can join the forums, and CHEAT to win an Emag, a warp, and something else (I forgot ). You know something is up.


The average NON cheating user had no chance because of the cheater or two. I think I finally got 1 Email thru to the Emag contest one AFTER it was over without it bouncing.

[cphilip]

Re: I am appalled...

Originally posted by Tunaman
...Black, Miscue...I commend you for your efforts. Maybe next time...

Me to! Add Rob to that list. They did all they could but it was flowing too fast to deal with them all by just three people concentrating on that. You take your eyes away to deal with one and three get by.

The most appaling incident to me was the trekkie websuspect invited by Tom using the F word to him. Absolutely appaling conduct by websuspect. I do not want him/her around here at all after that. Toosweet was a real treat. She represented the trekkies very well and was a good sport. I know spazz feels slighted but he shouldn't.

Yes the bombing accusations leave a dark cloud over the whole thing. It seems a bit suspicious I know. Kind of like winning the Big Game twice. However I did not participate in the contests for obvious reasons so I realy didn't care. But my Son did and he is a FAST typer (close to 100 wpm) and was able to get off 102 emials in that time. One at a time. I suspect you would not be able to get more than say 120 off from anyone. But it was not clearly stated in the rules you could not generate a bomb program. However I would not allow him to do it as I thought it unfair and not in the spirit of the contest. But then again I see no rule against it and people who saw the first one saw it was possible. I do not know if it was done but it would greatly increase your odds to watch the count down and knowing the correct number before hand then send a big load in at the right time. Well it makes for a possibility that leads to suspicions. If that is not the case then it's unfair to the winner to leave it at that. If he won fair and square we should not leave it this way. I dunno...

[TigerMan]

I, like others, was kinda of disappointed in the WLIPP. People were out of control, and there were so many moochers there. And the fact that one person won 3 prizes (all on the email sending contests I believe) makes me kind of suspicious to what he was doing because no one has that good of luck. Don't get me wrong, the party was fun and getting to hear about the level 10 upgrade from Tom was great, but it's a shame how many people can ruin something fun just by showing up to mooch off a prize (and probably never return to this forum again after winning if they do ). I guess we learn by doing, and this will be helpful for use in future internet parties if AGD is so generous again to have one. Thanks for everything last night AGD and all the prize donators.

[shartley]

The most appaling incident to me was the trekkie websuspect invited by Tom using the F word to him. Absolutely appaling conduct by websuspect. I do not want him/her around here at all after that. Toosweet was a real treat. She represented the trekkies very well and was a good sport. I know spazz feels slighted but he shouldn't.

[BlueMagRT]

i only went to the party to get info on the extreme e-mags release. i left after 15 minutes because i couldn't ask with out the question rolling off the page as soon as it was posted.

i didn't like the wlipp, the pop up partys are pretty good and i like just being in the chat whenever and having tom kaye stop by to chat when he has time.

[irbodden]

Re: Re: I am appalled...

Originally posted by cphilip
But my Son did and he is a FAST typer (close to 100 wpm) and was able to get off 102 emials in that time. One at a time. I suspect you would not be able to get more than say 120 off from anyone.

Yes, I'd say 100 emails (In a 6-7 minute time period) is close to the MAX one would be able to send. I'd also expect only 5-10 people (out of the 140) could get that many off.

Brian claimed he sent 1500 emails out of 2000th and flooded them so no one elses could get thru. He even admitted to using "something".


If you guys are going to claim Tom never said "Mail Bombing was illegal" I hope you take a step back and think about it. Does someone need to announce EVERY single thing you can't do or it's alright? Tom never said you couldn't crack into his mailbox and tamper with the emails did he? So thats "legal" right?

When you play paintball, if the ref doesn't mention wiping, "dead man don't talk" or other rules are they ok to do? One should know better than mailbombing to win, and now he walks away with $1500 in prizes... r-i-g-h-t.

Maybe he thought he was cool by "claiming" he sent 1500/2000 emails, and really just got lucky 3 times. Tom how many emails did he exactly send, what was the average and what was the "average high"?

[Jonno06]

we dont take lightly to cheaters in these parts......


i didnt even go to the WLIPP...i could have,but ide rather not degrade myself down to begging TK for something.......

[Xzion]

The part I found most interesting, is when the room was asked to do a 'Emag Chant' to help tom feel better for giving away an emag, there was so much of it, my lousy computer (350mhz, 56mb Ram) locked up on me.

[raehl]

Cheating...

I'm confused - Was there a rule that said you couldn't automatically generate the emails?

If there was, fine, great. If there wasn't, the guy was just more resourceful than everyone else was. That's not cheeating. It may suck that he was able to use the rules in a way that gave hima huge advantage, but it's not cheating.

And as for program, most of you have a mail bombing program (well, assuming you're not using an email service like Yahoo that caps the number of emails you can send in a period of time). Just cut and paste the same address into the To: field 2000 times and wala, 2000 emails.

Seems like the only thing anyone really has to complain about is that the rules favorred a particular person's pre-existing knowlege. If I had been there, I would have had 2000 emails flying at Tom too.

- Chris

[irbodden]

Tom simply CANNOT list everything you can't do. Bottemline he cheated.

There are so many mail programs and so many exploits to cheat it's not funny, was Tom going to list them all? Does he even know half?

Raehl if you go to a field and they don't mention wiping in the orintation is it alright to do? Since they didn't mention it wiping is fine right? No- no it's not, I'd personally hate to live in a world filled with dirty leeches trying to find holes to get away with anything they can. It's not being resourceful, it's called being scum.

[marley618]

Does anyone know what he uses for email? (AOL, hotmail, yahoo, etc.)?? I would like to know. Thanks.

[sk8dood]

I think the party was totally a waste of time, that is why i left after the Amy thing. I tried to win prizes through the email bomb thing, but all my eamils got bounced. I think some more thought into the party whould have made it a little better. And i have pretty much decided that i wont go to anymore of the internet parties. Now the person that one 3 prizes, that is bs. I think they shouldhave put a limit on the amount of things you could win. Also they should look into the cheating thing (tom already said he was going to). But i do give props to Tom for trying to make this thing cool.

My $.02

[raehl]

Like I said....

I don't know what the rules were. I'm just saying that if it wasn't stated that you HAD to manually send each email, he didn't cheat. He was just more resourceful/effecient.

There's another point to be made here: Don't make rules you can't enforce. A "don't automatically send emails" is a bad rule, because it is impossible to enforce effectively, and is just going to lead to exactly what we have now: A lot of people upset when one person does better than everyone else.

Good rules would have been one entry per person and one prize per person, but those wern't the rules that were used. The wiping analogy is stupid, as you're trying to argue a situation that doesn't exist. (Well, there are variants of paintball out there where the first hit or hits in certain areas arn't eliminations, in which case by all means, wipe.)

So if it's not ok to use a program to send email, is it ok to paste the adress into the message? Or do you have to manually type the adress out every time? How can the person receiving the email tell the difference?

Anyway, if he didn't break any of the rules, no, he did not cheat, and yes, if you're all angry about it, Tom should have run the contest under a different system - but he didn't. Assuming there wern't rules to the contrary (not that those rules would have been any good, since you cna't enforce them), the only thing this guy is guilty of is sending emails faster than everyone else.

This is one of those cases where everyone is going to think what they did was "legal" while anything someone else did that let them send emails faster is "cheating".

- Chris