Ir3 On Crack!!!

[bofh]

BPS or no BPS....

Where's his mask? :) The camera man has a mask right?

The video is edited, the clips are out of order and it looks like there is time elapsed between them. (in the last two cuts, look at the bucket and the wall, in the first one it's "painted" red, in the second, it's not.)

All that's shown is that the ir3 can put together ~20 round strings without breaks...

All that aside, What's the video supposed to show/prove/demostrate? Besides of course, the ir3 being very fast and pretty. <= not sarcasm.

[Thordic]

Ok, two things.

First off, god, you people really are harsh. You make fun of the Trekkies, but you are just as bad. They walk around preaching about WIlliam Shatner, and you guys are the same about AGD. Not that AGD doesnt deserve a good repution, but there IS life beyond AGD as well.

John wasn't telling you to go out and buy an IR3. He never even said he wanted you to like the gun. All he was doing was showing one shooting hella fast.

When Tom posts a video of an Emag going fast, you all go "Ooooh, I want one!" "Man, thats fast!" and "Wow, COOL!"

When John posts a video of an Angel shooting around 17 BPS (I counted 17 in a 1 second clip i took), you all start saying the video is faked, etc.

What ever happened to "Wow, thats pretty fast, awesome."?



ANd BOFH, what did the videos Tom posted prove? That the gun can shoot fast without chopping. Angels are somewhat "known to chop" too compared to some other electros.

Lets use the same rules for AGD and WDP, huh?

[Cha0tic]

couldn't have said it better myself thordic. you guys are acting like little kids. have some appriciation for other companies work. WDP came out with the cops sensor and they wanted to show everyone that it worked at high rates of fire. so what if shots are otu of order or scenes are cut, the purpose was not to start a competition. it was just to show a fast angel...

[dansim]

wdp rocks period i cant see th video but man ill take an angel over an emag anyway cause angels have already proved themselves relible to me and most tourney players let see the emag prove it self and maybe ill change my mind(still though no chops lets see emags do that right now)

[cphilip]

Mostly I agree with you thordic...it's a nice marker and very fast. Now the "however"!

Except for the fact that the marker was set on 20 bps and DID NOT do it. Odd..Why? And if it DID NOT do it why release it without explaining that if you set this maker at 20 bps it will not produce 20 bps? And lead everyone to believe that it did...they clearly ment you to trust them that it is 20 bps and so thats missleading. On purpose or not.

[Hexis]

I just said it would be nice to see a whole hopper empty through the gun without any edits, like in the HALO demo vid that featured both an E-Mag and an Angel. I also suggested that we look at the E-Mag video @20BPS with the same level of detail as we are examining this new Angel video.

This Angel video is indeed impressive. It's kind of scary that FA may be an avalible on a standard gun. That's about the last thing I would want to get hit by. I appreciate AGD's stance that FA is used in very limited cases, for demonstration purposes only.

[BartManSr]

Arch Angel, your right! Glad to see someone standing up with an objective view point.

[Manuel_FZR]

Yes ... post a diagram of the Emag 20bps ... I really want to see this, if this are really 20bps.

[Thordic]

Phil -

It's fairly well known that Angel's BPS counter is a little odd. For example, when it records the shooters BPS, it takes the fastest time between two balls in a string, and does an estimate based off that ONE instance.

I figure maybe something similar is goin on here.

Who cares if the gun can actually hit 20 BPS? Its not legal to use.

[cphilip]

I see what your saying thanks for the technical on it Thordic.

It is on heck of a nice string of shots anyway. I don't want to be on the business end of 17 bps thats for sure! If you were you would be glad it was off a little bit towords that direction!

[Webmaster]

Everyone just needs to calm down!

Dont you all know that the Metric system measurement of BPS is different than the English/Standard system measurement of BPS?

Im sure that is 20 Metric BPS... coure the emag shoots 20 Standard BPS.

[bofh]

Originally posted by Thordic
What ever happened to "Wow, thats pretty fast, awesome."?

I said it was pretty and fast. BUt, there were however's tagged on.

Originally posted by Thordic
ANd BOFH, what did the videos Tom posted prove? That the gun can shoot fast without chopping. Angels are somewhat "known to chop" too compared to some other electros.

The Emag videos I saw, (not the lastest ones) showed that is can do a whole hopper, fast, without breaks. The second showed the HALO is pretty dang fast. Amazingly enough, the speed that TK said it went, it actually went. (I haven't check the recent, but I did check the old one.)

I was not aware that Angels have a rep for ball-chop. We've already seen an Angel, burn thru a whole hopper in one cut at a very, very fast speed, (I didn't count, but faster than I can pull, I'm sure) without any breaks. (in the most recent HALO video) I'd assume that that didn't have COPS on it.

Originally posted by Thordic
Lets use the same rules for AGD and WDP, huh?

Sure. The rules haven't changed, once you see a video or picture or any data, that has been mis-represented. We'll be jumping just as much on Tom, if not more.

[bofh]

Originally posted by cphilip
I don't want to be on the business end of 17 bps thats for sure!

I'm not wholly fond of even 10bps bearing down on me either. :0

[steveg]

Im sure that is 20 Metric BPS... coure the emag shoots 20 Standard BPS.

It could be imperial BPS instead of US BPS after all the
imperial gallon is bigger than the US gallon

[synreal]

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