Ir3 On Crack!!!

[Hexis]

Originally posted by dansim
wdp rocks period i cant see th video but man ill take an angel over an emag anyway cause angels have already proved themselves relible to me and most tourney players let see the emag prove it self and maybe ill change my mind(still though no chops lets see emags do that right now)

Funny, you can see an E-Mag doing a clamed 20bps here:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36025

This vid shows off the new HALO-B on both an E-Mag and an Angel. Both guns are seen shooting most of the hopper (as much as the HALO can shoot and feed correctly) without any edits. The E-Mag is at 20bps, the Angel is at 13bps. Though I think we need to double check that if we are going to scrutinize the Angel at 20bps video.

[cphilip]

there ya go! thanks syn.

To be fair lets call it a clean 19 bps in the second interval. Pretty darn close huh?

[synreal]

yup, and that was just grabbing the first second that the marker was upto speed, i'm sure that i could find a one second interval that contained 20 'clean' shots.

first round at 0.0 and 20th at 1.0 seems like 20 bps to me though

[Thordic]

Aha, there you go, AGD was claming 20 BPS and only got 19 BPS

At those levels, does it really matter that much?

There is one thing I'd like to point out though.

Look at Tom's graph, and look at Syn's graph. The Emag graph shows extremely regular shots. The Angel has a few irregularities in the shooting sound.

It might mean nothing, but I found it interesting. Recharge rates coming into effect, perhaps?

[Hexis]

That irregularity could very well be the COPS working perfectly. If that's not a HALO-B on the Angel they could have had slight problems feeding at 20bps. If that's the case I think the demo is more impressive. If that's the case, we are seeing the technology on the Angel work exactly as advertised. That's very cool.

[RobAGD]

Actually you count the first trigger pull in a string for timing reason, that IS 20 shots in 1 second.

And yes those blips in the Angel wav form are the cops working as it should.

BTW - for those of you that dont really pay attention, take a look look at the pics you see on teh wen and in magazines of angels, and look at how many have paint ozzingout of the portingon the barrel and the breach area. They DO chop paint it for some strange reason something the users have a hard time recalling.

-Robert

[AGD]

I think I will defend WDP here and say that I would find it really unusal that they would release a video and claim 20 bps when it wasn't. I will SPECULATE that perhaps someone down the line got that idea in their mind, made the claim and it stuck.

WDP just does not make big marketing mistakes and to do this would be a huge one. I buy the idea that it was a high speed demo of the COPS system and nothing more.

If AO is picking on it that was because this was in response to a request I put out for ANY video of a paintball gun at 20 bps. The response was "here it is!" so it got scrutinized.

Bravo nice job on the COPS it looks like it's working well.

I am still waiting to see a 20 bps vid of any gun.

AGD

[krafty]

Geeze.... OK. According to Cool Edit Pro (a handy tool I happen to have here at work) I took the audio, which was trimmed to the beginning and end of the string of shots.

Total time: 4.00 seconds
total recorded beats: 74
beats per second (average): 18.5

So... 74 shots were taken by the IR3 in that video over the course of 4 seconds. Since it's equipped with COPS, we can assume each shot meant 1 paintball. Looking at the wave form, it's obvious that the COPS is at work, because there are several instances where there's a longer than average delay between shots.

So, it was probably set at 20bps, but it's effective rate of fire was 18.5bps due to the speed balls were fed. Makes me believe that the HALO's reported 18bps feed rate is pretty darn accurate.

(edit) Anyone that really believes that was 200 rounds needs their head examined. That would be 50bps!!!

[Arch Angel]

Originally posted by RobAGD
BTW - for those of you that dont really pay attention, take a look look at the pics you see on teh wen and in magazines of angels, and look at how many have paint ozzingout of the portingon the barrel and the breach area. They DO chop paint it for some strange reason something the users have a hard time recalling.

-Robert

I would very much like for you to send me a link to these images featuring IR3s.

[Manuel_FZR]

Thanks synreal!

[Kaiser Bob]

Originally posted by dansim
wdp rocks period i cant see th video but man ill take an angel over an emag anyway cause angels have already proved themselves relible to me and most tourney players let see the emag prove it self and maybe ill change my mind(still though no chops lets see emags do that right now)

Its posts like this that perpetuate the bickering thats going on here. Or is it reflecting the attitude of the posters? Well, either way, this AGD vs. WDP is wholly unnecessary. I mean its been conceded by all that both guns are high end, both have their stong points, and both have limitations of some sort. Im sorry, neither the Emag nor the IR3 are Godlike and infallible. However, they both do a pretty darn good job of slinging a ball of paint 300fps. Keeping that in mind, can we please stay away from the 'My gun is better than yours, yours sux cause of A, B, and C and mine rules cause of X, Y, and Z'?

[DiRTyBuNNy]

well..if you really want an instance..look at Brahim Estaphan's angel during the World Cup Traumahead Sportz video..that suckers got paint leaking all over from the breach..and no..it's not from a gun hit when the paint is in front of and below the breach....

[dansim]

man all you haters need to step off yo

[Manuel_FZR]

I see no competiton between this two gus (the EMag and the ir3).
For me, the Angel is the

[BartManSr]

Kaiser Bob, I wonder if you would of said anything at all if it was the other way around.

Of course were in the Mag forum here, I'm just trying to be objective and fair. Not saying your not.