Spyder E99 better than Automag retro?!

[Temo Vryce]

Is the Spyder E99 better than a ReTro Mag? No.
Is the Spyder E99 better than a Stock Mag? Maybe.

Spyders aren't the piece of junk that you guys keep saying they're. You guys need to learn not to trash one product and praise another in the same breath. Sure AGD makes a better product than Kingmann but that doesn't mean that the Spyder is a piece of junk. In my opinion the Spyder is the best entry level marker on the Market. It's a low cost marker that anyone can get. Use it for a year or to then up grade to Mag, Cocker, or what ever. You guys all respect the Mods here right? Well guess what CPhilip has a Spyder and he loves it. Is it better than his mag? Doubtful. Is it a piece of junk like you guys say they are? Not a chance. Don't trash another companies product. This is AGD forum, and we are better than that.

[shartley]

I was talking to this guy at school today and he said his NEW Spyder E99 is better than my automag with retro and revy! I was like what?! I told him this was not true and he wouldn't believe me! He thought he could shoot faster with his than mine! Guys, tell him i'm right!

[Patron God of Pirates]

Shootdown

Spyders cannot cycle 40 times per second without shootdown, even with a top of the line reg, and expansion chamber, they can barely do 9 without shootdown.

This is very easy to test. Set the spyder E-Frame to 10 BPS. Make sure you do this on a day with very little wind. Aim straight, and hold the gun very steady. Fire, and watch as each ball after the first falls far closer to you. The first ball had plenty of time to recharge, each proceeding ball had only a 10th of a second, not enough time for spyders.

A couple of friends and I played a little 3 man, every man for himself yesterday. My fiend with the full auto Spyder (we allow it) unloaded on me from about 15 ft. The first ball broke on my chest and the next five bounced off without even welting me. That is what led to us testing the shootdown.

Interesting side note though, I'm the guy with the tricked out RT Pro, he's the guy with the tricked out Spyder, I lost. I guess they are good enough.

[pip_999]

1 word

BLOWBACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ityl]

I've had 2 spyders in my house, and a clone. Also my cousin had one. While they are good for beginners they are not meant to last long. Every one started to have problems after around 1.5-2 cases. Even with putting in new springs it didn't solve the problems. They are made poorly, and it's a very poor design. The design involves a lot of wear and abuse. They are purposely sent from the factory at over 300 fps because a lot of people don't go to real fields and don't have a chrono. So when they shoot the gun and it goes farther than everyone elses, people want them. This is why when you go to a real field the spring must be cut. All of mine have.

When I had my clone, it was on it's was out. The gun just did not want to work, new springs, still didn't, orings...nope. When I tried my friends mag I couldn't believe how nice it shot. I was amazed and had to have one. I ordered it less than a week later. I mag has much better accuracy than a spyder, even having one with a reg, a mag shoots faster in the right hands, a mag is smaller, a mag is built better. The only thing that a spyder holds an advantage in is price.

There should always be a spyder, to get people into the sport. But comparing a spyder to a mag is like comparing a classic mag to an angel, it's just not fair.

PS - Unless spyders have changed in the last year, they do have an absurdly amount of blowback.

[magsRus]

why are you talking to kids that play with spyders?

j/k

[Ultimator]

Originally posted by Ityl
PS - Unless spyders have changed in the last year, they do have an absurdly amount of blowback.

I was talking about the way the bolt operates, but yes, my brother's Xtra is hilarious to look at the blow back. Put about 4 balls into the hopper and keep it open. When you shoot the last ball pops all the way up and goes back down into the hole.

Same with black draguns. INSANE blowback. The funny thing about blck draguns is that it is $30 worth of parts selling for $199.

[soccerdude1008]

blowback is not an argument. mags have it just as bad as spyders do. though one of my friends has a video of his xtra sucking a tissue paper in the feed tube, instead of blowing it out.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by liigod
i say go for the spyder, better bang for the buck.

I got a dollar says you're the kind of guy that won't buy snap-on tools because they cost more.

better bang for the buck? how much is it worth when it's worn out from being poor materials/design?

please, I have a classic that's in better shape than most spyders are out of the box...

[HoppysMag]

Guys!! GUY!! hes not sayin spyders are better than mags. hes saying they deserve credit... which they do. they have brought in a lot of people with a low cost relitivly good quality gun( compared to others, and brass eagle, at 80$)
Althought i hate how they change the collor and call it a diffrent gun, but overall i will give them credit...

[TransMan]

mags dont have near as much blowback as spyders i had a TL+ i put just an elbow on it and a couple of balls first shot all the balls poped out onto the ground my mag doesnt even make them move and they are both power feeds

[V-Viper]

Wow some of you are as bad as 'cocker owners bashing mags.

[Gitaroo Man]

All they are saying is that Spyders aren't THAT bad, they are good beginner guns as most of you have said. We are just saying Mags are better, which they are.

[Carpecerevisi]

Spyders vs Mags vs Cockers

Here we go

Spyders=good guns, low cost
Mags=great guns, moderate-high cost
Cockers=crap-incredible guns, low-extremely high cost

I like all three guns, and a huge amount of their variants.

Spyders are all around good guns...Ive shot just about every variant of them, with no complaints other than the crap triggers. Ive shot quite a few mags now, and I havent come across one I disliked, although the price can get high at times. Ive shot probably at least 30 different cockers, rangings from stock 96's up to raced LOE Freeflows, and they can suck, but another model can kick arse. But in all good faith, my ACI hornet can own all! Tehehe...

PS-This crap about spyders breaking is just that...crap. My friend has run near 80 cases of paint thru his e-99 without a single problem, and I matched that with my old spyder compact a. The problem with your "breaking spyders" is MAINTENANCE! CLEAN AND OIL THE FRIGGIN THING!

$0.02 deposited. Have a nice day

[obsolete898]

Holy crap, back from the dead much. I was reading it like it was new, then I saw my old posts.