******** First LVL 10 Video!! **************

[zads27]

Originally posted by rudy
Here is an Angel I have with the same test.

We Call it THE BOLT STOPS HERE

didnt have any 1$ bills though

http://www.msu.edu/~slouppau/boltstopshereangel.mov

you may have to right click > save target as

I would like to know how much does the new bolt weigh compared to the first superbolt and stock bolt? Also will any of the adjustments slow the gun down? will the gun change in effeciency with lvl 10? Some people mentioned less muzzle rise or kick is anything like that true?

As for slowing the gun down, no by what limited knowledge we have, it will still do 20bps. As far as the kick, I doubt it will lessen it.

Originally posted by Butterfingers

PSFT! Of course you angel owners had to show us up by using a $20 bill...

Well see, he was trying to be symbolic, Butters.. take the following example:

+$200 mag
+$100 Lvl 10 upgrade
=$300 (1 dollar bill)
same/better than New Angel w/ upgrades=$1800 (20 dollar bill)

See the symbolism there?






(Yea yea I know the numbers are kinda unfair, but this is Tom's spotlight)

[Arturus]

I need to catch up...

I still don't get to visit as often as I like, due to work and school... but this is ridiculous, I feel like I'm so behind.

Especially with the 'lvl 10' valve. When it comes out, it'll be my first paintball related purchase in 8 months.

The first thing I ever bought, next to my mask, after being at a field for a day was an RT-Pro. Still no regrets and this just makes it all the better.

A few questions. This is upgradable for all AGD markers, correct? And it's relatively easy to do?

I'm sure it's been posted already, but appreciate any response at all.

Thanks to Tom and AGD once again for a great product.

[damageinc54]

Check my sig I have an Emag and RT waiting for level 10. I also just got my HALO B back from Odyssey. I cannot wait to put my centerfeed body back on my Emag with the level 10 and HALO B.

[Manuel_FZR]

Originally posted by manike


don't use a coin!

minimum euro note is 5 isn't it?

manike

[Pand0ra]

Less force on the bolt = less acceleration of it => less kick We should have the answer any time soon.

@++

[BlackVCG]

F = P x A

[cphilip]

Well...it was kind of a surprise to me realy that so many did take the as a usable setting. And if they did there was certainly an assumption on their part that was not ever claimed. Being a gear head type I immediately assumed it may be otherwise and was mostly a demostration of the range of adjustability of the thing. And I was more excited by that than anything. I might point out a feature never before available in the mag is range of adjustability of the bolt force. Now...not having too much experience with Cockers but having seen demo's of them stopping a finger and still shooting I was concluding that the setting on this video was quite a few steps lighter than "finger stop and still shoot". So I suspected the range might include this possibility. And I may still be right there. But already knowing the hard strike end of the spectrum (stock as it is now) I thought it was approriate to open with a video showing the other end of the range of this thing. I believe that was Toms intent. I will not speak for him though it's just my assumption from my own perspective.

But now...it's realy a complete shock to me that anyone would conclude the setting shown was "intended" to decieve. Thats a quantum leap into an area you realy do not have any idea wether it's true or not. Perhaps you feel fooled and angry but I am not certain you can jump into that conclusion if you misunderstood. And then start throwing allegations around this early on. I surely was not about to jump to that conclusion.

I was still curious but awaiting further info. I do not see it stated anywhere that it was to demostrate something like a usable user setting. To jump to the conclusion you have done so here shartly you are having to assume a lot including devious intent. It should be obvious that not all of us did conclude that and so therefore it's just quite possible that Tom never intended it the way you see. Nor foresaw that anyone would take it that way. So while I can see your points, from my perspective, I also see that it was wrong of anyone to have jumped to a conclusion that was never stated nor perhaps even intended.

BUT.... Me thinks that makes both sides wrong then. One for not realy being able to predict what might be assumed and the other for assuming too much and not waiting for all the facts. Admittedly being released over a period of time for drama increases that potential! I think the best thing for all of us to do right now is sit tight and listen and wait for all the facts.

[krafty]

Originally posted by cphilip
Well...it was kind of a surprise to me realy that so many did take the as a usable setting. And if they did there was certainly an assumption on their part that was not ever claimed. Being a gear head type I immediately assumed it may be otherwise and was mostly a demostration of the range of adjustability of the thing. And I was more excited by that than anything. I might point out a feature never before available in the mag is range of adjustability of the bolt force.

Methinks you are right, sir. I think Tom said that most of the videos he was going to post were going to demonstrate the extreme edge of the performance envelope of lvl 10. This is probably not the ideal user setting being demonstrated to us, but rather and extreme example of tuning.

[cphilip]

well Krafty I might be right but then again I am thinking from my head not others. And they, it seems, didn't consider that was a possibilty and seem hurt as they feel decieved. My point was that I now understand their logic to some extent. Not that I agree with their conclusions that it was INTENDED to have caused them to conclude otherwise. That part I am inclined to disagree with at this point.

[G-Rexx]

AGD, We're soft on your balls!!!

[cphilip]

Of course we are friends and therefore we can disagree without fear of any flaming. We often have different perspectives on things and this appears to be one of them.

Sam, you use the words "Caught", "openly admitted" and "looked pleased" in your response. It appears to me with the intent to imply he had to be tricked into divuldging something. All of which are purely your interpretation of what you think was going on. And I did not see it that way. Fact is Tom brought the subject up himself. And in fact, in response to a question from me I think. And he openly told us the facts. Your portrayal of the session is a bit slanted from what I can see.

I was in there for that part you are portraying but lost connection and missed the last of the discussion with the other member. So I will not comment on that. By the time I got back in that was winding down.

But let me say this...You are stating it's either this or that...You may be boxing yourself into a corner. It may not be black or white. It may be grey!

[Krazy Ivan]

Cphil and shartley, I must say, this has been one of the best discussions I have read on here in a long time.

We all might be a little biased in our own way, but I still believe that Tom wouldn't openly decieve his own breed. I find that in his demonstration he meant to show the edge of what can be. Now in doing this, everyone is quick to assume, what can be, will be. Now it's human nature to jump to conclusions.

However you know what happens when you assume, you make an a** out of u and me.

[steveg]

For what it's worth I thought that I was being shown a
usable setting, and I suspect anyone that saw that video
without the "inside info" would think the same.the text
of the post make no such statement

A setting that won't even fire a ball is no setting at all

[ShooterJM]

Didn't Tom post that the video's were on the ragged edge of performance and not what you'd set your gun to? Maybe I dreamed that.


Either way, I need one!

[dre1919]

I agree with shartley about how misleading that video can be, and that more clarification would have been nice. However, I also agree with cphil in that I don't think Tom openly meant to decieve anyone, I just think he wanted to show what it was capable of and that's it. My guess is, he thought when this thing goes live it'll be an amazing upgrade, and this will be illustrated in future video posts, but for now he just wanted to show what will be. Kind of throwing a bone to us salivating dogs so to speak...

I think if you over analyze something, you can read negatives and positives into anything. I think the video is what it is...just an early example of what the mod will be able to do once everything is online and running smoothly. Everyone is so hyped about getting their hands on this new mod that Tom had to show us something. Personally, I would have liked to see a nice little showing of the different parts that make up the lvl 10 myself..kind of like the way they detail parts visually in the AGD videos. What's the big deal anyway? Why can't we just see the individual parts that make up this great creation and be done with it?

Anyway, I'm sure once Tom is finished with it it'll kick mucho butt and take the world by storm. So really, what we all need to do is just sit back an be patient and find something else to fill our freetime till it comes out.