B&W sticker rule??

[RT_Luver]

Originally posted by Army


Teams were using full-auto guns with force fed hoppers, now the rule is gravity fed, semi only.

does this mean that warps aren't allowed at tournies?? if so, screw NPPl and Pan-Am

[Polishpickles451]

no way
people use warps all the time in tourneys

[dre1919]

That's cool.

I posted a thread before talking about how I thought that there should be rules that serve a purpose and could become universal in acceptance, but the rules that seem rather unnecissary should be done away with. Apparantly, I and the rest of AO (save for a few like minded individuals) differ on what's actually considered important rules, and that's ok. Hey, it's just my opinion. As I've made clear before, I'm a professional artist and have a true hatred for censorship or banning of personal freedoms just because someone ruined it for the rest of us. Some people don't, and that's cool with me.

I'm not trying to get under anyone's skin, and especially when I make the amusing-to-me-but-not-to-you comment about the NPPL and PanAm being the "rules nazis" then people get all bent out of shape. My mistake. I was under the impression this was a public forum and I was just posting my opinion on a topic that's open for interpretation. I feel as though I try to champion the cause of personal freedoms not being lost in the mix by the powers that be, just because somebody somewhere says it should be so. Once again I am reminded I get left out to dry on that one, and again, that's cool. I have no problem with that. I respect your opinions, hopefully you respect mine...but if not there isn't anything I can do about that.

So, I'll try to limit my posting anything that directly challenges the mainstream powers in paintball since it's obviously not welcome. One thing I don't appreciate it a moderator telling me my post (which reflects my personal opinion and nothing more) is a "childish and ignorant" comment. Excuse me sir, but the forums are open for opinions as long as I don't use foul language and keep the topic to paintball. I find it ironic you chose to denounce my posted OPINION by saying something "childish and ignorant" yourself. Do you work for the NPPL or PanAm? Then as a mod you should set the example and not flame somebody for posting what they think even if you don't like/agree with it.

I'm sorry to everyone reading this if I sound bent out of shape about this, but this really pissed me off. The other day I got onto shartley about getting so worked up over the level 10 video he seemed actually mad about it. Now I see how you can get that way, and for that I offer a full apology sir. Fight the good fight everyone, Peace.

[bofh]

Re: That's cool.

Originally posted by dre1919
[B As I've made clear before, I'm a professional artist and have a true hatred for censorship or banning of personal freedoms just because someone ruined it for the rest of us. Some people don't, and that's cool with me.[/B]

Dre, this isn't solely aimed at you, but since you stuck your neck, you're going to catch it.

One of my biggest pet peeves is when people cry censorship.

No one is stopping you from putting colorfully stickers on your hopper. You just can't play in the NPPL if you do. There are other leagues. You could make your own.

When l tell people that they have to take their shoes off in my house, I am not a "shoe nazi" ( I agree, at certain times, the term "nazi" can be used for humorus effect, if you disagree with me on this, talk to NBC, who brought "soup nazi" to prime time) I am making rules for my house. Just because I have the only pinball machine on the block, does not give anybody a reason to complain.

The NPPL has their house, where their rules apply. You can take your balls (a case of them at least) and play elsewhere.

Censorship, is where you can't, anywhere, put colored stickers on you hoppers. Even if you play in your own backyard.

Your rights don't extend into other people's houses. Don't get confused about that.

[Ice-Child]

I kinda agree with Army

Originally posted by Army
The rules are to keep everyone equal on the field, except for skills. Calling the Pan-Am and NPPL "rules nazi's" is childish and ignorant.

They set the rules so that everyone is equal. To try and keep any cheating from entering the game. So the bad thing is that there are people that find ways around the rules. More like just find the loop holes. But for the most part everyone that plays is trying to be honest. For the most part. There are those times you think about the cheap hit (blindshot) and want to wipe it off. I not saying people are cheating, just that with the rules in effect now. It knocks most of it out. I think I can honestly say that when it comes to this sport. I play as fare as I can. If I am in open play and a guy keeps wiping, or not calling himself out. I personally make it a point to take the guy out. But when it comes to tournaments. I play fare and by the rules. Not playing by the rules at a tournament can cost points. That can hurt.

Just try to keep it clean people. Play fare and no one will biotch. Cheaters , I hope they all get caught. Makes it hard for the guys that play by the book.

Some of the NPPL rules are a joke. But "Rules are Rules"

[dansim]

i fyou dont like the nppl go tot the psp instead thats where its at

[Army]

Ah ha...the rules nazis are at it again!

That is a statement, not sarcasm. With a smiley added, It would not have caught my attention.

Yeah, I've seen this rule before. It's standard for NPPL and PanAm circuit, however I am led to believe the NPPL is kind of lax on enforcing it. The main reason I've heard it's illegal is becuase when you put colored stickers on your loader they can be confused as hits or camoflauge a hit. I think this is kinda childish really.

"Led to believe", "I've heard", not actually knowing does nothing for your argument.

Not to mention the fact that if people wouldn't cheat and just play fair, we wouldn't have to worry about it.

That is the sole reason for rules in games and life.

This is once again another way to put us all in grey jumpsuits with barcodes and no individuality.

Now that's just ignorant and childish. That's the same "speech" we hear from the so-called anarchists, that sue the Police when they get beaten by them when they riot. It seems the rules are really handy when their views aren't agreed with.

As an artist, I HATE censorship, so these topics are kind of rants to me personally.

Again, no one can see the sarcasm in that statement, especially when you confirm it's a rant all along.

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[dre1919]

You know, the only time I post anything on a topic about something rules related is when I try to show something potentially dangerous to people for the future. I agree, rules are rules, and I have no problem following them. Currently, my team's logo is five colors and I don't have a sticker on my hopper because of that reason should I decide to enter an NPPL event. My problem with this before was that a lot of tournaments and leagues around the country just adopt the NPPL's and PanAm's rules so they don't have to make their own rules up. Fair enough, but suppose more rules that don't seem quite fair ever get adopted by these two governing bodies.

My main idea I was trying to communicate was that if lots of circuits and tourneys adopt a universal set of rules for all paintball tourneys, especially if these are based on or just a copy of the NPPL's, rules like this sticker rule become universal. Now that would mean any event you go to anywhere wouldn't let you have stickers on your hoppers. Suddenly, that freedom is taken away and you're left with playing under it or playing on your own. It's not a big deal, and most people wouldn't care...hell, I really don't care! What I do care about though is us as paintball players having fair and useful rules at events. I just felt like the whole sticker issue was kind of intruding on a personal freedom.

However, when I do go out on a limb and discuss something like this people flame the hell out of me for taking a stand and trying to communicate my message. My mistake, and trust me it won't happen much anymore. I'm done with this subject and thread on this since clearly I'm on my own about it anyway. To the people who read it and took offense, sorry guys...none intended. It would seem I need to be more careful in the choice of my wording when I post something and not forget the smiles. To Army, well...sorry bro, we just have different opinions on things...and that's ok. I respect yours (really), and appreciate you setting me straight about this not being a public forum. I don't have any interest in getting into some long drawn out argument with you and having me hate you and you hate me. It just isn't worth it, so I'll just apologize and hope we can go back to being cool with each other. I would appreciate it if you felt the same way.
:)

[CenterFire]

Well siree, thats the most violent AO post I've read recently...

But on the issue of rules, I've always felt that anyone caught cheating at an event should be banned from the league for a year... I think that would intimidate a lot of those players who occasionally cheat If you ran the risk of not playing at a big event for a year, would you guys be less likely to cheat? (Not saying you do or anything )

[Army]

Dre, hate? Nah, ain't gonna happen on a BB among friends.

Your opinions are important and welcome. All we ask is to make your intent clear, and that's what I pointed out.

We be bros still, it takes more than mere words to rile this 'ol soldier !

[Shaft]

Gray uniforms with barcodes on the back would be a cool team uniform.

I got an idear.... cheaters invoke rule creation, right? Get a bunch of rainbow stickers and start sticking them on the opposing teams' hoppers when they're not looking!

Eventually they'll have to make a rule allowing rainbow stickers so nobody can get away with what they've done! Next thing you know, it's happy sticker frenzy fest at the NPPL corral! Woohoo!!!!

I'm brilliant!

ok... I'm going back under my rock now.

[bofh]

Originally posted by dre1919
I just felt like the whole sticker issue was kind of intruding on a personal freedom.

Dre, I'm with you up till here. You've got it backwards, you're (if you were to have a coloured sticker on your hopper, and when I say "you're" I mean in an everyman sort of way) steping on their freedom to choose how their event is run.

I do agree on the fact that it's a silly rule. :) And that fact that local run tournies will use the NPPL's rules compounds the issue. Perhaps someone can talk to the powers that be in the NPPL and talk them into having some sort of allowence for team stickers, or sponsor stickers, or something that would allow a colored sticker on a hopper.

My biggest beef, actually my only beef, is that it is in no way, shape or form, a Freedom, or Censorship issue.

Censorship (and likewise an abridgement of Freedom) can only be done by a goverment, or by armed force (which it is assumed, that goverments have... if you know of any goverments without a armed force to defend them, please let me know, so I can go and take them over myself. :)

Edit: Also don't stop posting what you think/feel because, Army, I or somebody else disagrees. This is foremost a discussion board. You should express you opinon loudly and often :)

[dre1919]

Ok, I'm almost done with this thread!

Originally posted by Army
Dre, hate? Nah, ain't gonna happen on a BB among friends.

Your opinions are important and welcome. All we ask is to make your intent clear, and that's what I pointed out.

We be bros still, it takes more than mere words to rile this 'ol soldier !

It's cool. Thanks man.

[dre1919]

Originally posted by bofh

My biggest beef, actually my only beef, is that it is in no way, shape or form, a Freedom, or Censorship issue.

Censorship (and likewise an abridgement of Freedom) can only be done by a goverment, or by armed force (which it is assumed, that goverments have... if you know of any goverments without a armed force to defend them, please let me know, so I can go and take them over myself. :)

What I meant by that was a governing body of a specific paintball tourney series creating some standard rules. Then, these said rules get adapted or copied by other tourney series' across the world and suddenly they are the standard rules by which all paintball tourneys are played. So, if they say no red jerseys (for example) and everyone follows suit, then the guy with a brand new red Smart Parts jersey just got a form of censorship.

Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
To Censor: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable.

If they deem red jerseys objectionable, well there you go. No more red jerseys allowed.:)
That's my main point here, that's all. Just lookin' out for the personal freedoms of us paintball warriors.

{QUOTE]
Edit: Also don't stop posting what you think/feel because, Army, I or somebody else disagrees. This is foremost a discussion board. You should express you opinon loudly and often:) [/QUOTE]

Oh, don't worry. I was just getting tired of bikering back and forth earlier. I'll still speak up and say my mind as fiercely and often about anything as anyone else. Next time, I'll just be a lot more clear on what I wanted to say.

[blnk162]

Originally posted by dansim
i fyou dont like the nppl go tot the psp instead thats where its at

Where have you been in the past 2 months? the NPPL and PSP are back togther and i can assure you the rules would be the same..