Level 10 degassing issue?

[AGD]

LVL 10 Users,

I have read all the posts for residual pressure and the results make sense.

The bolt acts like a cork holding back pressure in a bottle. When you fire the marker the air pressure pushes out the "cork" BUT the mainspring is now holding the cork in with more force than before. This results in more residual pressure in the system.

In other words the fact that the LVL10 mod causes your gun to stop shooting abruptly at the end of the tank and the gun holds more residual pressure is the result of the same thing. This is all caused by the stronger mainspring.

My personal opinion is that removing a macro line from a fitting is a poor choice to degass a gun. I would recomend everyone use some type of degassing fitting to loose all the pressure before dissasembly. Most people with screw in tanks will not have a problem. The others will just have to get a degassing fitting because this effect is a normal part of the LVL 10 operation.

We didn't see it here because we use degassers on our lines. Overall I see this as the only hiccup so far in the LVL 10 testing.

I should warn everyone that the Retro Valve and RT Valve will hold residual pressure even with the air source removed. You should NEVER remove your valve and mainbody together and then pull out the valve. This can cause the on/off assembly to shoot out at high speed. By removing the valve while the mainbody is still attached to the rail the system will degass properly. This is the best reason to NOT ADJUST YOUR TRIGGER ROD!!

Besides this I don't have any other solutions to the residual pressure problem. You just can't shoot it down to nothing with this new setup.

AGD

[mxracer33x]

Thanks Tom
The level 10 kit works flawlessly in all other aspects. I think we all just wanted to be sure we werent missing something, and at the same time, make others aware of the proper way to release the residual pressure.

Once again, thanks for a great product and your continued support of your users.

[echoes]

Originally posted by AGD
This is all caused by the stronger mainspring.

Am I the only one who is successfully running level 10 with the original mainspring? Mine has been running beautifully... bouncing off of paint, squeegees, fingers, etc.

I haven't noticed this problem because so far I've only used it with my PMI screw in tank. But I use a proconnect with my Armageddon anyways so I'm not really concerned.

[cphilip]

No Arno your not...in fact I think all of us STARTED our set up with the stock and moved on. But for most I should think the stock would be a nice conservative way to go. But many of us because this is a beta test wanted to run through the full range of settings for the reports back to Tom.

Those of you talking about pushing on the bolt to release all of the gas...not going to get it. I tried. Many times with my wood dowel. Could not get it to do this. How its working for you I just do not knows. Gas is only releases when the bolt is moving partialy forward not when its fully retracted. Perhaps your managin to get it to move forward somehow. But I think this is a poor choice when better solutions exist.

As we all have discovered those of us with hard line setups are going to need to degas with some kind of device. We got by for a long time "cheating" (if you will) by using macro and regular quick connects. But should not continue with this practice much longer with Lvl 10. Cheating on 50-100 psi was alright. Cheating with 200-400 is not. So now we know.

Good stuff realy I think. Remember this is a Beta test! We are discovering new things. Fun too I might add.

[FreshmanBob]

any recommended devices?

[cphilip]

Look back up in the thread Freshman. I put one in for the Skanline ones. Click on the degasing slide check one. Only like $15 for the nickel. Proconnects are good but pricey. remember some slide checks are not degasing slide checks. Get one that degases

[FreshmanBob]

o ok thanks phil

[ELLAS]

I dont have the level 10 mod but...
i use a remote line to run my retro and yes there is a problem with pressure. To fix this i have a slide check built into the remote line and a small flick release all pressure quick and easy..no problems.

[LittMag]

Ok, I just want to double check, (I haven't gotten my lvl 10 kit yet) but this is only an issue for non-screw in Nitro Tanks.
If you run CO2 you should be fine b/c in order to remove the pressure you have to "break the circuit" by removing the CO2 bottle.

[FrAuStY]

Here's a link to the De-gas valve metioned..
http://www.skanline.com/productspb/c...ck_Dis_PB.html It's 14.95 and it's ONLY A DEGAS VALVE....not Degas+quick disconnect. That one 20$ and you can see it from that link. I gotta order one and some other stuff.. oh well All in the name of AFTERMARKET PERFORMANCE...at least thats what ricers say

[Doobie]

I'm a dumb grunt here and pictures speak louder than words. Could someone who has a bleed with macroline pleaase take a pic of the attachment and post it. I have macro coming from a Nitro-duck minireg. I appreciate any help.

[Russ]

Well, this is how it's working for me...

Long silver spring
#2 carrier
2 shims

When I shut the air off (68/4500 Flatline) I fire a few dry-fire shots to release pressure. Then the gun just "bleeds out" any residual pressure. The hissing sometimes starts right away, and lasts only a second or 2. Sometimes it retains pressure for quite a while. I do have a Q/D, to release pressure in the line (and mke disassembly easier).

[davej946]

Hey Phil,
After checking it out, I found that I have 350-400psi left in my lines. That's on a ReTro Valve with the original spring (the one that came with the ReTro) coming out of a 68/3000 Flatline.

Hope this helps ~ Dave

[cphilip]

Originally posted by drx975
Well this isnt good news at all....

So with this setup am I going to experience this problem of high pressure left in the gun?

Thanx

ps: Tom fix this plz I realllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyy want this mod

What in the world are you going on about! Did you not read any of the thread at all? You have a screw in tank. Just unscrew it and you will have removed all the residual pressure! There is nothing to fix! It works!!!! just that some of us will have to do a better job with our set ups to degas is all. Please read the entire thread before you go running around like a chicken with your head cut off. All this thread was supposed to accomplish was to make people aware of the higher pressures left in the marker. Go ahead and get the darn thing. It works. Just unscrew your tank!

[drx975]

Alright man sorry, jeez im sorry. I haven't ever used a non-screw in tank so I didnt realize it. Now that I think about it I guess that was a really stupid question.