"Cool... too bad the Automag doesn't shoot straight..."

[personman]

Screw long barrels, I dont care if they 'improve preformance' according to the all great and all knowing newbies, I'll stick to a 10 inch barrel, thanks.

[Jack & Coke]

Strike Fear into your Speedball nemesis with this!

[Jack & Coke]

...and for all you scenario woods phreaks who like to crawl on your bellies, I give you the ultimate long range (Tippmann Flatline? pffff!) super accurate SNIPER marker...

Guaranted 6 inch groupings @ 1000 meters!

[virus]

Originally posted by oldsoldier
Hey virus...I went there saturday...a couple of the reffs there were very impressed. They mentioned you demoing w/your finger...I just smiled.

what can i say... i like walkin around with my finger in the breech and pullin the trigger as i walk around.... now i just need to get on of their p/t refs to quit buggin me about buyin my micro.... =)

[personman]

Originally posted by Jack & Coke
...and for all you scenario woods phreaks who like to crawl on your bellies, I give you the ultimate long range (Tippmann Flatline? pffff!) super accurate SNIPER marker...

Guaranted 6 inch groupings @ 1000 meters!

Yeah because the barrel can pretty much reach that far

[FrAuStY]

Hey look it even has a convienient carrying handle built into the barrel!! Good luck pluggin that bad boy!!

[MagNumPI]

I am the ONLY guy at my field that shoots a mag. and from a die hard cocker owner, i got a "Now thats a MAG i really really like"

I almost fell on my ***. He used to say "A mag.. A MAG!!! what are you thinking!!" jokingly. He was a mag guy back back in the day.. but moved to cockers.


I love my mag setup. It competes with any markers on the fields. IR3, Cocker, Timmy. All i can say is Bring it!!

[PaInTbALL zAcH]

I have an emag right now and i love it and never have problems with it. but honestly cockers have some special voodoo power that makes the balls shoot at a flatter trajectory. maybe the way the bolt is designed it puts back spin or something on it. its probably just my imagination too

[mykroft]

paintball zach: It's actually a trick of perspective, since the sightrail/top of body on a cocker is higher, it looks like the tragectory is flatter than the trajectory looks on a mag. Puzzled the hell out of me with the apparently different tragectories hiting the same spot, until I figured it out.

Note that it's easier to aim a longer barrel, so it appears to be more accurate.

[PaInTbALL zAcH]

Like I said "scary voodoo magic"
Yea mykroft your probably right

[bigsarge72]

Ok, to address a couple of issues:
1)Open bolt vs closed bolt: Go to Warpig and read the article, both shoot identical.
2)Barrel Length: I have read a lot of articles on barrel length, and a longer barrel can actually hurt your distance (friction), AND, the effective length of the barrel is only up to the point where the holes in the barrel begin (if you don't believe me, ask Tom). Most people shoot better with longer barrels, because it is easier to aim a longer barrel.
3)When I had my first mag, I stood side-by-side with my buddy and his cocker, and we were shooting the exact same distance. In fact, when we were playing against each other, I even got the advantage on him a couple times. I only had a 12"stainless steel barrel too.

Just some things to think about.

By the way, I love cockers, but I have always loved mags too, and when someone says "Should I get a cocker or mag" I tell them the truth...It's all a matter of personal preference, try before you buy.
(I also tell them if they can't leave their gun alone when it is working, get a mag, cause you will screw up a cocker and a mag is pretty much retard proof ;-) )

[rx2]

Too many people only go by how things seem to be from behind the marker. Before they start proclaiming the great distance of a certain marker, people need to
A) Do a side by side, and/or
B) Observe from the side

It is extremely obvious when one observes a Mag and another marker side by side, and from the side (viewing across the flight path) that both will arc, and have the same effective range. I have seen it plenty of times.

[AcemanPB]

someone should do a video showing this, that way it would prove to people marker A shoots just like marker B (i would do the vid myself but don't have all the equipment i need)

[MikeCouves]

Originally posted by HoppysMag
iv got a guy who goes on and on about cocker range and so forth, he had a mag, put aftermarket internals into it and blames the gun... i tell him to send it to AGD to get it repaired but he doesnt...

Ahh I know how you feel there. So many uneducated people do that! I have heard countless rants around here about how their mag is leaking and the bolt has alot of wear. I crack open the mag to find aftermarket valvles, back halves, aftermarket regulator, grinding of on/off pin, etc. I almost scream because it makes me so peeved. They ruin it themself and blame it on the marker...

[P4ULuk]

Originally posted by bigsarge72
Ok, to address a couple of issues:
1)Open bolt vs closed bolt: Go to Warpig and read the article, both shoot identical.
2)Barrel Length: I have read a lot of articles on barrel length, and a longer barrel can actually hurt your distance (friction), AND, the effective length of the barrel is only up to the point where the holes in the barrel begin (if you don't believe me, ask Tom). Most people shoot better with longer barrels, because it is easier to aim a longer barrel.
3)When I had my first mag, I stood side-by-side with my buddy and his cocker, and we were shooting the exact same distance. In fact, when we were playing against each other, I even got the advantage on him a couple times. I only had a 12"stainless steel barrel too.

Just some things to think about.

By the way, I love cockers, but I have always loved mags too, and when someone says "Should I get a cocker or mag" I tell them the truth...It's all a matter of personal preference, try before you buy.
(I also tell them if they can't leave their gun alone when it is working, get a mag, cause you will screw up a cocker and a mag is pretty much retard proof ;-) )

The warpig test is all well and good and I've quoted it many times myself however, maybe theres more to it then just the bolt position, how about some equally constructive tests with a cocker V's whatever bench mounted.

I dunno bout anyone else but I was hardly suprised that the warpig tests showed there was no differance as to different markers shooting differently, having different tragectories I remain fairly open minded!

Paul.