Automag vs Autococker, please level with me

[Reo5th]

Hooray! two and a half month old threads! bring'n back the classics!

[Tunaman]

Originally posted by InfinatyBPS
ITS A TRAP!!!!!

Remember this, if you ever get enough money and think you need a high end gun, you can always, upgrade the cocker and mill and ano the body if you want... I don't think you can turn a minimag into a realy high end marker

I beg your pardon!

[shartley]

Originally posted by strongboy2005
If you buy an automag then I guarantee you I give you a maximum of 2 years, if you're serious about paintball, before you get an autococker, love it, and apply the tactics you had to learn from using a lesser gun for the time before you had your cocker. Then you will realize how much you wish that you had got an autococker in the first place because you will try to sell your $400 mag and only get $200 for it on eBay. Hey, it's not spam, it's what happened to me, and I regret buying my stock mag since. If you get a mag make sure you have $500 or so to trick it out with, or it won't be worth your while.

[Shirow]

I don't think you can turn a minimag into a realy high end marker

[strongboy2005]

Originally posted by shartley

I'm saying that a stock automag is not worth having unless you're going to put some serious dough into it so it can compete. I got a used freeflow autococker for $355 on eBay, I've put at least that much INTO my old mag not to mention what I originally paid for it. Then it only sells on eBay for $220, and i know why. BECAUSE IT SUCKED. Autocockers are better lower priced guns. If you get two people to each spend $400 on a paintball gun, exluding the price of tanks, drop fowards, hoppers, or barrels, the guy who bought the autococker would have a better gun, plain and simple. Now when it comes to the larger sums of money ($700 and up) the automag guy would actually be able to compete with the cocker guy. But the plain fact of the matter is that unless you are planning to buy a mag for $200 on eBay and put $500 into it I could almost guarantee that if you plan to play in tournaments you will eventually end up getting a better gun. Automags (of course without $500 worth of upgrades into them) are their own category. While on the one hand they are comparable against tippmanns, on the other hand they are still classified under the high end semi autos because the other people with $1000 mags ***** and moan when mags are not classified on the same level as autocockers. I'm saying a stock classic mag is not a high end semi auto until it has some serious dinero invested into it.

[strongboy2005]

my cocker that I got for $355 in case you were wondering:

[strongboy2005]

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[DaosBeoulve]

Originally posted by strongboy2005

I'm saying that a stock automag is not worth having unless you're going to put some serious dough into it so it can compete. I got a used freeflow autococker for $355 on eBay, I've put at least that much INTO my old mag not to mention what I originally paid for it. Then it only sells on eBay for $220, and i know why. BECAUSE IT SUCKED. Autocockers are better lower priced guns. If you get two people to each spend $400 on a paintball gun, exluding the price of tanks, drop fowards, hoppers, or barrels, the guy who bought the autococker would have a better gun, plain and simple. Now when it comes to the larger sums of money ($700 and up) the automag guy would actually be able to compete with the cocker guy. But the plain fact of the matter is that unless you are planning to buy a mag for $200 on eBay and put $500 into it I could almost guarantee that if you plan to play in tournaments you will eventually end up getting a better gun. Automags (of course without $500 worth of upgrades into them) are their own category. While on the one hand they are comparable against tippmanns, on the other hand they are still classified under the high end semi autos because the other people with $1000 mags ***** and moan when mags are not classified on the same level as autocockers. I'm saying a stock classic mag is not a high end semi auto until it has some serious dinero invested into it.

I see quite a few flaws in your argument (mainly, how in the heck can you put $500 worth of upgrades into a standard mag? You've already axed barrels, hoppers, drops, and tanks from the list of expenses. If you wanted a retro valve, that'd be $200. Another $80 could get you a Lvl 10 kit. $280 and you get the fastest recharge rate on the market on a marker that refuses to chop. Maybe a new frame, but that's not always necessary. What else are you considering 'upgrades' that would add up to $500?)

I mainly have a few questions concerning the last few parts of your post.

Who, in particular, doesn't classify mags on the same level as autocockers?

Did you know that there is a range of different types of mags you can get? Classics, minis, RT Pros, emags? Just like the autococker, there is a ladder that you can walk up. I have a RTP. I've never once thought my marker 'under' any cockers or angel or timmies or anything else on the field for that matter.

And, um, I've seen RT Pros selling for $400 on the classified forums here. Let me tell ya, a stock RT Pro can hold its own against even the mightiest electro, or even a cocker overflowing with magical elves. It's all about the player, not the gun.

Just one last question--have you ever actually shot a mag? Just wondering....

[strongboy2005]

Originally posted by DaosBeoulve


I see quite a few flaws in your argument (mainly, how in the heck can you put $500 worth of upgrades into a standard mag? You've already axed barrels, hoppers, drops, and tanks from the list of expenses. If you wanted a retro valve, that'd be $200. Another $80 could get you a Lvl 10 kit. $280 and you get the fastest recharge rate on the market on a marker that refuses to chop. Maybe a new frame, but that's not always necessary. What else are you considering 'upgrades' that would add up to $500?)

I mainly have a few questions concerning the last few parts of your post.

Who, in particular, doesn't classify mags on the same level as autocockers?

Did you know that there is a range of different types of mags you can get? Classics, minis, RT Pros, emags? Just like the autococker, there is a ladder that you can walk up. I have a RTP. I've never once thought my marker 'under' any cockers or angel or timmies or anything else on the field for that matter.

And, um, I've seen RT Pros selling for $400 on the classified forums here. Let me tell ya, a stock RT Pro can hold its own against even the mightiest electro, or even a cocker overflowing with magical elves. It's all about the player, not the gun.

Just one last question--have you ever actually shot a mag? Just wondering....

For a tournament ready mag...

Good body ($130), Lvl 10 Bolt ($85), Retro valve ($200), and an Intelliframe ($115). Adds up to $530 for a tournament mag (not including the $200 for the original gun).

I know all about the automag hierarchy, and I was not referring to the preformance of those guns, I was referring to the preformance of the stock classic mag, which is comparable to an upgraded spyder.

And yes, I owned a mag for over a year, put $130 into it and realized for the ammount I had into the gun I could've bought a 2002 cocker that would have outpreformed it in every aspect.

[epterry]

What are you talking about?Good body ($130)

[shartley]

Ignorance is bliss.....

[Brian68mag]

The day a 2002 cocker(350)+ a cheap tank(70)(420 total) outperforms a TKO mag (270) with level 10 (85)and a cheap tank (70)(425 total) will be the day i die.

It totally outperfomed it here!!
cocker
mag
Both on n2 i might add, and the reason for those results are here.
MAGS consistancy
COCKERS.
Hmmm to make the equal we need a 100 buck reg on the cocker, lets throw it on! so what then? 2002 cocker/reg for 520 total nearing the performance of a level 10 mag for 420.
Do your homework bud.

[FutureMagOwner]

lol i recommend what i did... buy both! lol anyway i like my mag just as much as my cocker(im selling the mag though most likley and will buy an E-Blade for my cocker and an emag later) the fact is you gotta shoot both guns and know which you like sure the mag may be cheaper but if you cant shoot it or dont like to no matter what you do then it isnt cheaper, theres a gun for everyone you just gotta shoot it

[strongboy2005]

Originally posted by Brian68mag
so what then? 2002 cocker/reg for 520 total nearing the performance of a level 10 mag for 420.
Do your homework bud.

Preformance? Those are accuracy tests, which are debateable. Conditions, paint/barrel match, ect are all deciding factors.

Now, take that same cocker and that same mag and see which one shoots faster.

Speaking of the cockers/mag thing you wouldn't nesesarily need to spend $350 for a cocker when you could get it for $299 at

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/predatorpaintballonlinestore/aut20.html

So that frees up about 50 dollars... As for the reg, the vigilante is perfectly fine and it's only $50. So now we're at $350. So let's throw back on that cheap tank ($70). Now we're at $420 with a new reg and the tank with a cocker that will have no problem beating the mag.

BTW I was looking at the TKO and I was wondering how it would be any better then a classic p/f...

[Brian68mag]

Its the same gun with a barrel, grip and bottomline included.
As for which gun would shoot faster, uh mag?
I hate arguing with idiots.