Spyders bad?? I thought so until...

[dawump]

That's a funky marker ;-!

One thing the cheap marker manufactures do very well is advertise!

The spider and clones are physically pretty sexy pieces of hardware with a cheap electro option. That's good strategy for the entry level where the marketing is mostly to many who want the "feel-good-factor" of a nice looking marker and might not think too far into the future.. and I bet that there is a VERY high percentage of people who buy markers then barely use them.. so a long life expectancy isn't such an issue.

The ones that DO keep going and eventually buy a different marker at least get into the sport cheaply and end up with a backup ( which they probably won't use if they get a mag ;-). If I hadn't had the money for the mag I would have bought a TL+ probably.

Also true whoever said it about the magazine reviews. I read the same review, and it was, as always, very positive. In this case, no suprise. It would be insane for a magazine to print a bad review about a product by it's major advertising sponsor.

Keith

[nerobro]

There's a lot to be said about a marker that has fewwer moving parts than a mag.

And one that can cycle 30 times a seccond.. if anyone saw the dragun at schatnerball you know what I'm talking about ;-)

[rudy]

nerobro what exactly do you count as moving parts? how many do you say there are in a double stacked blowback. how many in a mag? how many do you say there are in a angel?

[Doobie]

My wife shoots this AMG and I must say I am very impressed! The thing will rock and has not broken paint yet. She has had it for about six months now and loves it. I taught her to take it apart and put it together in 5 min and (most important to her) it looks good!:) I, of course had to approve the purchase first. I am very impressed with the trigger adjustability. Very easy and very short. It runs on HPA and the stock reg works quite well. Right now it is running on 350psi and does not starve out, even on full auto! I will probably always have a 'mag but this is a fun gun to play with. BTW, Bad Company uses these and E99's. Some of theirs have different drops on them and they use Freaks, but other than that they are stock. Bad Company often plays on sunday at NPPL meets and that speaks volumes about the reliability of the marker.
Not bad for a little over $300.00.

[~WarpedRT~]

I would sooner take a Piranha over a Spyder anyday. Spyders are cheaply made. Most of the Spydrs I've seen don't perform that good(thats why I bought a Piranha). If your looking into an electronic blowback, try one of the Piranha E-Forces, or the Pro E's.

[nerobro]

Originally posted by rudy
nerobro what exactly do you count as moving parts? how many do you say there are in a double stacked blowback. how many in a mag? how many do you say there are in a angel?

The hammer and bolt are one peice. the valve is another peice. the sear is another, and so is the trigger. So we have four peices?

A mag has the reg piston, reg pin, on/off pin, bolt, sear, and trigger....

Angel.. the solinoid, the hammer and bolt are one peice as is the ram, the valve, the LPR piston, the reg piston (in whatever brand reg it may be) the trigger, and trigger switch....

I really draw the lines at each simple moving part. the ram in the angel kinda throws things off a lot. it has many possiable failure points. Same goes for the solinoid. it's a wonder angels work as well as they do. IT all depends on how retentitive you want to get.

Last time I counted parts on my spyder it was a grand total of 40. Including o-rings. I counted the same number on the mag.

or you could count points of failure.. the spyder has just a coupple. the hammer o-ring. the sear edge, the trigger sear, and the cupseal.

On a mag, you have the piston o-ring, the reg seat, the on/off top and bottom, the powertube o-ring, the bolt edge itself, the sear at the bolt end, the blowoff valve, the body rail.

The angel... well.. any of the seals in the solinoid, we'll say 3. Any seal on the ram, that we'll call 2. the cupseal, any of the connectors on the gun. Both regs have 3 working seals in them. and then I'd considder the cap on the LPR an issue becuase that needs to be removed to adjust that reg... Then again, I considder the angel a good design ;-) just with crappy regs on it.

[aaron_mag]

Nerobro.......you have too much time on your hands if you are counting the parts.......

[nerobro]

Well.. yea, I did at the time. My mind works fast.. and my job moves slowly ;-) and I know the guns well enough to actually count components. But tracking down probable points of failure are easy ;-) Courese this leads to the wonderfull thing about the mag. if it has a problem WHICH point it failed at is blatenly obvious.

[Automaggin2]

Originally posted by ~WarpedRT~
I would sooner take a Piranha over a Spyder anyday. Spyders are cheaply made. Most of the Spydrs I've seen don't perform that good(thats why I bought a Piranha). If your looking into an electronic blowback, try one of the Piranha E-Forces, or the Pro E's.

wapred, the spyders are actually made better then pirhanas. spyders have almost all aluminum parts, unlike the pirhana, which has some splastic parts, such as the grip frame. My friend has a Pirhana, and the quaility, especially the anodizing, is not nearly as nice as a spyders. he has the pirhnana EXT pro, and he used to have a Spyder SE. He was much more please with his SE then his pirhana. dont base your decision off cheap wal mart spyders.

[FalconGuy016]

Yes, for the price, and the c02 consitancy, and the overall awesomeness of the AMG ... to me this is like the first good spyder gun I've seen (probably flash and e99's too... but I havent seen them shoot)

I've seen a lot of spyders and this is the first one that has actually made me want to get it.

[SSMercury]

The guns I trust: Mags, Phantoms, and stock Spyders. The kind around before there was even the Spyder Compact. No, not the Spyder Compact A either, the original Spyder Compact. The old, old, old, old, (my two were obtained in 1994) Spyders. They're virtually indestructable. If a Mag can be run over with a car, I think these could be run over with a truck. All this new crap is exactly that. "Java Spyders" and what-have-you. Blech.

(speaking solely about my Spyder now. Plural now since my dad gave me his out of the sports closet finally. Spare parts forever! :))

My one complaint about them is the weight, with all that steel and a brass barrel. They've almost always shot straight and consistently with the stock barrel, except the one time we went to Florida. Field paint was X brand. I've personally half buried mine in the mud, and after a really good hosing down it played...ok, but I quit for awhile and stripped it totally down and cleaned it because I love and cuddle my markers. Anyways. Good marker, cheap (god, probably get one for 60 dollars now. Probably be antiques soon). all around, dependable. Much like any other marker with decent QA testing. Nice, perfect for a recreational player, but I wouldn't use for tournament play (and don't plan to). I'm not going to swear by it's consistency, never really tested it with a chronograph, but it sends paint where I want at 75 feet.

Probably too long a post. Someone needs to flame me for that. I'll never learn

[rudy]

k first of all I count the hammer and bolt as 2 separate parts especailly because there is often bolt jams that are caused by the fact soemthing gets cought in there and the hammer and bolt being 2 separate parts will jam due to play between the 2 where they are joined by the linkage pin. Also I never count the regulators moving parts when comparing guns. because its independant a mag could be designed to run at 800 psi without a reg. and you cant compare a gun with no regulator to one that has one. and on most guns the regs can be swapped out and different regs have different numbers of moving parts. its like measuring a gun with the barrel included in the length its not an accurate measurement unless all guns are measured with the same size barrel and in this case the same reg. I count the actuall working parts and usually not the trigger since they all have a trigger. mag has a sear which could be 2 parts bolt, on off 3 or 4 parts actually work the gun. and 1 spring for a max total of 5. your average double stacked blow back has bolt, hammer, sear, valve. 4 parts and 3 springs total 7 you of cours should probably count in seals and divide them into stationarry vs workign seals other wise the matrix would have like 2 parts, solenoid and bolt. but it has a ton of seals that are working seals and can have many problems.

[Automaggin2]

yeah my spyder was around a....95 i belive. good old bottom line. i got it right as the first introduced the SE

[Spray Painter]

My brothers friend has a E-99 and the first day he used it it choped five balls(that was on full-auto). the next time he played it didn't chop a single ball all day(most of the time it was on full-auto :)

[845]

I would just get the Imagine or spirit and throw on a nice reg and a DF.