No RT triggers allowed in tournament, fine can I put an AIR valve in my emag?

[Xzion]

another thing you might want to do, is make sure its not -just- the Tippmann reactive triggers theyve banned. I believe the NPPL has banned the Tippmann's RT's because theyre designed to always run in 'run away/full auto' mode, where as the AGD RT/RT PRO is still a reactive trigger, but isnt designed, nor intended to run in run away/full auto mode when in manual.

[Temo Vryce]

Dragoon if you're talking about the series that I think you are. I'm not really all that surprised. That series has been taking a really bad nose dive over the last couple of years. It's stupid discision like that one that will drive the series into an early grave. The AIR valve will work fine your emag. Strider can vouch for this as he has done it. I can't remember wy but he did it.

[Dragoon]

Hey Temo it's been a while!
No it's not that series. Just a couple of other single tournaments that I've heard about. I just want to be prepaired incase it ever comes up.

Douglas

[Shirow]

I think it's probably worth boycotting tournaments that start doing stuff like that.

[cledford]

Originally posted by BlackVCG
Yes you can put an AIR valve in an E-Mag. You might be able to get away with transfering your on/off assembly out of your E-Mag valve into the AIR valve. This will keep you from having to grind down your AIR valve on/off pin. Make sure to transfer over the black quad o-ring out of the E-Mag on/off assembly.

Steve,

Why would you need to grind down the AIR on/off pin? I checked mine and the AI mics out at .751 and the Emag .712, is that enough to make a difference?

What exactly does the black quad oring do?

Thanks,

-Calvin

[BlackVCG]

Well, the quad o-ring was designed to deal with issues involving the gun locking up in E-Mode because the on/off pin was catching on the cast mark of the standard urethane on/off top o-ring.

The Quad o-ring is designed so that the cast mark doesn't touch the on/off pin and the sealing surface is at the bottom of the o-ring. Therefore the short on/off pin to make up for the difference in sealing points.

[Vanced]

Way to deal with RT's other ban them...

As proud owner of a pair of RT MicroMag's I for one would simply be fed up with Tourny Offical 'X' ... telling me I can't play with my gun due to the fact that someone has abused the system, or worse that simply because it can be abused.

I know this may sound like an 'ODD' solution to the issue. But I have heard of this happening once, No I wasn't there to know how it turned out but If I have to choose between putting my RT in the case or doing this.

They Solved the "Shooting Too Fast" Issue by simply banning mechanical hoppers. And offering VL 200's to anyone who didn't have one. I guess there was a lot of complaining due to some the people playing with some rentals I guess and people crying Full-Auto, not sure. But they thought this would effect everyone equally and fairly although very signiffically. And with the Level '10' to prevent chopping it may be VERY annoying but not totally ruin your day like having to put your gun away or go home...

Just another worthless 2 Cents by a concerned RT owner...

Vanced

[Dragoon]

That's an interesting tournament format Vanced.

I think I'm going to suggest that to my local feild for doing entry level tournaments. It's a good way make it fair for renters, but allows gun owners to be mixed in. This would help to get the numbers to the point were the feild is interested in holding the event.

Douglas

[Shirow]

If they're going to do that they may as well just make it 'rental only' or something.. makes more sense.

[Dragoon]

But with the hopper restriction, the spyder toting players can still use their own equipment and be competitive.

I think it's a good idea to promote tournaments to entry players (renters and gun owners).

Douglas

[Vanced]

No offense intended Shirow,

But my whole arguement for this idea is that I can still play with my M-Mag RT, instead of a rental. And I am sure that all owners of higher end guns will want to play with their guns as much as me. Going to the Non-Mechanical Hopper will put us ALL on equal footing limiting the ROF for all guns no matter how fast or fancy they are to similar rates. And with the Level-X it will keep me from chopping and solve the Tippman Run Away issues cause it will become the famous "Blender" as the RT Mags have often been called. So a 'Rental Only' will totally defeat my point in offering this suggestion.

I guess this makes it 4 Cents worth of Rant...

Vanced

[cledford]

Since when do we need to make the playing field "even" for entry level teams? Part of being out gunned is then purchasing equipment capable with keeping up with the rest of the world - otherwise we'd all play with spiders and save a whole lot of money.

I used to playing in dart leagues. The one I hated was the Bud Light Dart League. They had a similar mindset - make it even for the newbies and it'll be more fun for everyone. They used a handicap system that hurt the good players (like me) and hurt the lousy ones also. When I started playing darts I got beat all of the time by players better then me. I had no "leg-up", no help, no equalizer - I could only set my goal to persevere, practice, and play and play and play until I started beating them. This helped me become a much better player - even though I was using $15 dollar darts and they were using $150 dollar sets. (Believe me it make s a difference) In the Bud light league they would so severely handicap the better players it was quite easy to beat us compared to an even up match. This pissed off the better players, and REALLY hurt the new ones. Never having to really strive to do better or purchase higher end darts, or learn flight mechanics through experimenting with different equipment (flight styles and shaft lengths) they never really became anything other then annoyances.

Handicaps and equipment restrictions don't help competition, they stifle it.

-Calvin

[Dragoon]

Cledford,

I don't prepose to change to offering only restricted type tournaments, just that they are a good option. There are a lot of players at the newb level, than at the tournament level. Why not offer tournaments catered to them. But from a feild owner perspective, numbers matter. So by offering a restriction like no moterized hoppers, anyone can play, and the overpowering firepower issues are minimized. The players with all the equipment may not find this any fun, so no problem, they have lots of tournaments to choose from. But for renters, ocasional players, and the odd tournament player looking for a change of pace this may be a fun option.

A side effect may be that some of the spyder toters may catch the competitive bug and grow into emag using, *** kicking tournament players. This will add the the pool of players, increase the number of competitive teams, and make more tournaments feasible.

It's not about changing anything, just offering options that may not already be around.

It would be fun to enter a non-moterized tournament with pump guns! Now that would help to improve your game!

Douglas

[Vanced]

Cledford,

I am not saying this as a do all or end all soultion, and i know that my suggestion wouldn't never and should never be considered for anything on the level of a NPPL Event or even in any kind of circuit, just those once in a while single event tournies that are aimed at the newbie, or have a divsion aimed at them. I certainly don't want to limit any kind of compition. I like high end guns, like playing with them, and playing oposite them. But look at is this way? Isn't there still stock class games out there, and there has been more than once I have often wonderd if I like the game better now or when I was pumping away on my SL-68 with my Splatmaster on my side, stairing down a guy on the other side of the feild at another pump. But the purpose of some of theese lower end tourny's and leauges in my opinion is to promote the sport. And in my eyes I want the sport to continue to grow and prosper. And an even field and lower level would help in my eyes. Bottom line is this.
"I would rather walk onto a field and see 20 guys with Spyders than 5 guys with Angels."

Vanced

[bornl33t]

Ya know what I'm just realizing. The Idea of the mag and reactive triggers is scarring ppl. Ya know, be cause it's an advantaget THEY don't have. When ppl realize they can never compeat in a catagory they try and compensate for their inadiqasies with regulations. It's no different here. I'm personally getting sick of this.. but there's nothing I can do about it.