I Will Never Buy Another AKA Product...

[shartley]

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53222

and

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53220

The reason these were closed is to prevent further problems, I am sure we can all understand that.

- Thank you.

[cledford]

Let's clear the air...

First - my apologies to Gecko. You can still dislike me if you like (I deserve it for may comments to you), but I do owe you an apology for getting so passionate about my argument that I stooped to name calling - especially the idiotic comment. The zealot thing - well I felt you were trying to argue against real issues using the old "but the gun works great" method. I could have chosen a better word. To be honest I've allowed my anger to carry this a little to far.

Second, my criticisms of AKA stand. They are public knowledge and affect all owners - if certain owners chose not to get upset that's their choice I'll respect it. I will say I did a search here at AO prior to purchasing the Viking and saw nary a bad comment about anything AKA related. I felt it important to get information that is necessary to paint a complete picture of the company (before investing 800-1500 dollars) out there. Also, I expect my opinion to be mad, let people know, and warn fellow members that AKA has shown a pattern of not being able to meet commitments to be respected as well.

Third, I feel that some sort of cover up was going here and I disagree with it. I support the fact that this thread was reopened - but don't expect me to just drop the fact that:

It was closed under unusual circumstances

It was edited to say something that does not reflect my feelings on the matter.

No explanations have been given.

The irregular manner in which this matter was handled concerns me more then any of the issues with AKA. I'd like to see some sort of explanation as to what was going on.

-Calvin

[ben_JD]

Cledford, Sounds like you have had a bad experience and I will take your advice and bypass AKA. The funny thing is, I've NEVER heard of AKA. Not once until I read this thread have I even noticed a whisper about this company.

First impressions.....

[Wc Keep]

i havent felt like reading every post here but i did read the first post, and im not flaming, but it did sound like you were whining. aka makes good products from me seeing what has been done with spyders and what nots. but if you are not happy with the way your viking is running then sell it to someone who will like it and go for your next marker. i can shoot pretty quick with my mag,but i know that i would be able to shoot faster if my mag had a z-grip. now tom has promised us that once that list is done he will make a new batch of intelli-z's. that was almost a year ago now and im not getting all upset because i like the way my mag performs right now. shoot ive become so accustomed to how my mag shoots that who knows if ill buy a z-grip now. but you dont see me going around bashing agd for taking their time to perfect things. and maybe that is what aka is doing.

but my bottom line is that if you are unhappy with your marker just sell it. the only way i see this being a real problem is if every viking owner did not like the way their marker shot and everyone has been waiting 10 months for that software. chances are that they enjoy the way their vikings shoot and could care less for this software. there is no need to bash a company that probably has their hands extremely tied up right now. you flaming aka will not sway many peoples opinions because there are people like gecko, and probably lots more, who have good experience with aka markers to counteract your statement.

p.s. i can rip out 10.4 bps on my mag. if i got a retro valve i can push out a few more bps. i dont find 3 bps very much enticing. why? because i have enough skill to take those 10.4 bps and lay some serious hurtage down with the best tourney players in my area.

[Trunnion]

i'm not so sure that his issue is just with the fact that he can't shoot the gun those extra few bps, but rather that AKA made promises that weren't kept and the fact that they don't keep specialized tools in stock. i can see his irritation, and i doubt i would deal with this company unless they get their stuff together. it would perhaps be different if they released an update from time to time as to why these things are being delayed, but from what i've seen so far, they've failed to do so.

[cphilip]

Sorry all the thread mess up was my fault. I was closing to have time to do some edit and redirect. And just after I closed it, and was starting my edit, I had and emergency here on Campus and by the time I got back to finish up it was already taken care of by Black. he did pretty much what I was planning on doing when I got called away. Sorry but the pay here don't let me give up my day job!

[shartley]

Originally posted by Wc Keep
i havent felt like reading every post here but i did read the first post, and im not flaming, but it did sound like you were whining. aka makes good products from me seeing what has been done with spyders and what nots. but if you are not happy with the way your viking is running then sell it to someone who will like it and go for your next marker. i can shoot pretty quick with my mag,but i know that i would be able to shoot faster if my mag had a z-grip. now tom has promised us that once that list is done he will make a new batch of intelli-z's. that was almost a year ago now and im not getting all upset because i like the way my mag performs right now. shoot ive become so accustomed to how my mag shoots that who knows if ill buy a z-grip now. but you dont see me going around bashing agd for taking their time to perfect things. and maybe that is what aka is doing.

but my bottom line is that if you are unhappy with your marker just sell it. the only way i see this being a real problem is if every viking owner did not like the way their marker shot and everyone has been waiting 10 months for that software. chances are that they enjoy the way their vikings shoot and could care less for this software. there is no need to bash a company that probably has their hands extremely tied up right now. you flaming aka will not sway many peoples opinions because there are people like gecko, and probably lots more, who have good experience with aka markers to counteract your statement.

p.s. i can rip out 10.4 bps on my mag. if i got a retro valve i can push out a few more bps. i dont find 3 bps very much enticing. why? because i have enough skill to take those 10.4 bps and lay some serious hurtage down with the best tourney players in my area.

[Ov3rmind]

IMO, AKA has gotten terrible customer service because of the sudden explosion of demand for their product. Some of you may remember what AKA's customer service was described as before they released the Viking (I remember people raving about it, and placing it above almost all other companies customer service). Now, because of the incredible demand for the Viking, they're being overwhelmed by customers. The problem is, the company is too small for the amount of product they're trying to produce and ship. If AKA is able to grow very rapidly within' a year, they may be able to catch up, hopefully.

[Gecko]

heh what fun would the intenet be if people didn't fight over it. I do think aka owes all the excal and vikings owners something for this. Be it a free data cable or something. I think the owners as of yet have been remarkably tolerant.
Cledford you are cool in my book, i probably should have been more clear in my post. Gave me something to think about during my physics class
Gecko

[cledford]

Originally posted by Gecko
heh what fun would the intenet be if people didn't fight over it. I do think aka owes all the excal and vikings owners something for this. Be it a free data cable or something. I think the owners as of yet have been remarkably tolerant.
Cledford you are cool in my book, i probably should have been more clear in my post. Gave me something to think about during my physics class
Gecko

Thanks.

About the cable - I agree. I suggested it over at PB Nation a couple weeks back.

-Calvin

[persistent]

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i had 3 friends buy excals thru me and they are stuck with aka telling them the same thing, as a result i sold mine #188 because of the very thing your saying (its the principle) you cant imagine the things i hear because of it being in the indiana captains council and 30 minutes from aka
e-mail me [email protected] and i will send u my kit to adjust your settings
i agree with you but i dont tell anyone not to buy anything around here they are going to do what they want anyway

[Dern]

Hey hey hey... I think everyone should calm down... opinions are opinions... just like politics

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by Dern
Hey hey hey... I think everyone should calm down... opinions are opinions... just like politics

kinda late aren't we?

lol...

AKA isn't THAT BIG guys. I doubt that they have the capacity to handle so many demands. I know that the 10 month wait is a bit too much but I understand the problems with the LPR kits.

10 month wait for new software... ::sigh:: I think they're just being lazy on that. Do they even have the software finished? (I'll make further comment when I get the answer)

Well, there is a big demand for the viking right? Well, since it was probably a big jump in sales it might take them a while to catch up. They're probably building and distributing kits and guns but can't keep up. Just like how AGD was behind on lvl 10 kits and is already backordered until the end of the year on extremes. Not all companies can maintain high production and distribution levels.

[P4ULuk]

Ok
fist off the lpr can be turned down without the official tools ask lifer about it on pbnation.
Second I'm sure AKA want the software out as much as you/we want it after all, the 'low' rof is still a limiting factor when deciding whether to get a viking or not.

I'm bored out of my brian over at pbnation hearing over and over about 2 markers (wow) that have had problems and the software, it'll be out when its finished and has been tested. You bought it knowing about the ROF cap yes they promiced 2 weeks that is bad but give it a rest already

Paul.

[cledford]

Originally posted by P4ULuk
Ok
fist off the lpr can be turned down without the official tools ask lifer about it on pbnation.
Second I'm sure AKA want the software out as much as you/we want it after all, the 'low' rof is still a limiting factor when deciding whether to get a viking or not.
Paul.

The LPR *can* be turned down or up as much as you want without they kit. BUT the kit is REQUIRED to do it correctly. On other guns (like the Timmy) there are gauge ports built into the gun for LPR adjustment. Other marker ( like the Angel) also require a gauge kit to do it correctly. (To be fair you have to buy WDP's also - but at least it is available at my local store) In short, you can crank on the adjustment bolt as much as you want - you just won't know where it is or if it right or not.

I've stated time and again that this isn't about raising the ROF on my Viking - but ROF is a BIG issue with Excal owners who are stuck at 10.5bps. We all accepted that the AKA was capped at 13bps - but they advertised the ability for Excal owners to adjust theirs. That is impossible with the current LED board.

-Calvin