The Player or the Gun?????

[Linkin]

So, what do you guys think?
Which matters more, the Player or the gun?

I'll use the common example: Give a spyder to a pro, and give an angel to a newbie. who will win? The Pro (unless the newbie has some stroke of luck)

Now, what if you took a pro player, duplicated him, and gave one a spyder and one an angel. Which one would win? Probably the one with the angel.

What do yall think?
Give a reason for your answer.

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[This message has been edited by Linkin (edited 08-25-2001).]

[FeelTheRT]

well, it really depends. I think it's the player that's more important but the gun does play a role in the player's preformance.

[Load SM5]

It must be the shoes.....

Player.

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[MajorDamage]

It depends. Although this guy JD at my feild, he plays with a pump against electros and everything and from what I hear, he is awesome. He used to use a Palmer gun (I think he also used to be on Team Palmerized's B team.) but he traded it for some pump(Cant remember what kind it is.) and is supposedly a great player. So it kinda differs.

ENDO!

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[keebler]

a little of both. alot of it is the player, but the person who can spray the most paint has an advantage.

[Monsta]

GUN

[shartley]

It is the ELVES!

[Xzion]

Both: A good player can be as good as he/she can be with a lower end marker, the lower performance will lower the players overall performance, but if you give him/her a angel or E-Mag the performance of the gun will probably max out the players current performacne potential. that make sence to anyone other than me? lol

[keebler]

yeah it is alot of the gun. you cant expect gordon to win nascar races using a car that only goes 80.

[shartley]

[mykroft]

It's defiitely the player. The gun give a set performance envelope, it is up to the player to push the edge of the envelope. Frankly, a well tuned Spyder in good hands is very little of a handicap against an Angel, while in bushball for example, that top player with a phantom will probably massacre the guy with the Angel, taking something like a pgp or a phantom into play gives you alot of movement options that 10lbs worth of gun doesn't allow. It's all about how you use the gear you have. and with a bit of knowledge, you can give something like a spyder just about the performance of an Angel or E-Mag, but not the reliability.

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[mag wannabe]

It is my opinion that eather the pro with the angel or the pro with the spyder would have an equal chance of winning, (especially if we are talking about woodsball). I think that the gun is irrelevant to the outcome of a match as long as it shoots straight (which my spyder does.) The real battle of paintball is in the mind. its all about who gets the jump on who and who has better aim. if a spyder is used, I'm betting the victem has one splat on him, the angel would leave 3-6. So what? he's out none the less. the whole game is about getting that one shot in, the rest are irrelevent. just my opinion tho. feel free to argue, mebe I am just in spyder sux denial (I love my spyder).
-perry

[seekandestroy]

i think the gun plays a major part in the psychology of the player if you give your average joe a rental tippman hes going to play his average game however if you give him an angel he'll be more confident and play more aggressively

[zvanut]

well it is the player, the gun helps, but then a whole new phyloysiphy(sp) comes into the play. the style of the player. here r a few examples.

1. Say 2 pros r playin 1 on 1 who r back players. For them the game will be more dependent on how much paint they can put out. In that situation the gun really is somewhat important, where as if they r equal in skill, in that situation u would think the gun would win out.

2. 2 pros again, but they r upfront players. There the skill is the determining factor, except in certain situations.

i have a few more maybe i will type later.

~Ryan~

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[emaggot4life]

I will put my vote on the player. I would rather take an experianced player with a phantom on my team. I really dont think the type of marker is as big of a factor as the skill of the person holding it. I have seen a guy that could nail a 6" target from 40'-50' almost every shot with his ( no flames) spyder. But he could not hit the side of a barn if he was standing in it with my cocker.