The Player or the Gun?????

[GotMag?]

the ninja will win

[hAppy]

So, what do you guys think?
Which matters more, the Player or the gun?

I'll use the common example: Give a spyder to a pro, and give an angel to a newbie. who will win? The Pro (unless the newbie has some stroke of luck)

Now, what if you took a pro player, duplicated him, and gave one a spyder and one an angel. Which one would win? Probably the one with the angel.

What do yall think?
Give a reason for your answer.

1st thigns first, you can make a sig... rather than copy n paste the same thing after each post...

The gun just cannot make the player, it's physically impossible. The gun can only give you an edge.

[ryanshep]

The gun just cannot make the player, it's physically impossible. The gun can only give you an edge.

Thats good, well said

[MagAl]

80% player and 20% gun...
I played 4 years with just pumps against every semi and electro...
always did well...
but with my mag i do better

I agree with Bub, you can give a newp(layer, I dont like the word noob harsh word that brings me back to my earlier days) a better marker which gives the player an advantage rof as well as reliability wise( ever have a lo-end marker just un-cock entirely after firing? )

But as in pitching theres a whole lot more then being able to throw fast (placement/control etc.)

[BeaverEater]

I think it is 75% the player and 25% the gun. I have a phantom and I've beat people 1v1 with shockers and such. The gun definately helps but if you cant use it whats the point of it.

scott

[hAppy]

Ok... pump vs semi is a totally different story guys. Clearly it will take ALOT of skill to go pump against semi. But semi vs pump is just too easy on its own.

If it were pump vs pump, it's 100% player.
If it were semi vs semi, it's 100% the gun... NOT still 100% the player.

[coolcatpete]

It is most deffinaltely the player. In that situation you gave I think that it would be close but the guy with the angel would win. The gun just makes it easier to make the moves you want, so it just lets you play to your full potential. It is like in baseball if you use a bad $10 wood bat you are not going to hit as well as you would with a $400 metal bat. Better eqipment just allows you to play up to your full potential.
Pete

[BeaverEater]

I think coolcatpete is right. If you have a better gun it will also convince you to make better moves cause face it, your gonna feel pretty bad when the guy across the field is shooting twice as fast as you are. I think that the gun needs to evolve along with the players skill. The player needs to make the gun "shine" and vise versa.

scott

[coolcatpete]

I think coolcatpete is right. If you have a better gun it will also convince you to make better moves cause face it, your gonna feel pretty bad when the guy across the field is shooting twice as fast as you are. I think that the gun needs to evolve along with the players skill. The player needs to make the gun "shine" and vise versa.

scott

Yep the better you get, the better gun you get. A nob will play no better with the angel that the spyder but the pro will.
Pete

[jesseyo13]

I think it works both ways. If you give a new player a high end gun they will feel more confident and play harder. If you give a good player a spyder he will still be a threat. So it really comes down to exsperience and personal skill.

[afultz075]

I think it's mostly the player. Sure, it's nice to have a good electro like a Shocker or an Emag and know you have firepower if you need it, but Spyders and Tippys shoot just as far and can shoot just as accurate.

I think great equipment that shoots 18 bps can develop some bad habits in newer players as well. I've seen kids with these types of guns just stay in one spot and spray paint mindlessly the whole game, they pretty much become useless members of your team.

I'd sooner have the guy that's been playing for 15 years with a classic mag on my team than the kid whose been playing for 2 months with the Angel his parents bought him.