Avalanche Allegedly Caught Cheating and Thrown out of WC

[manike]

Originally posted by dcmander
O/T: Whats an example of a 3 for 1 penalty?

Wiping.

I think it should also cover blatant playing on, which makes more of a difference to a game.

[Rooster]

There were sports played before the advent of instant replay. The sloution is to make the peanalty so painful no one will ever want to take the chance. Have third party refs and when someone gets caught wiping, the team is done for the tournement. Shooting from off field or the dead box is a one year suspension for the whole team. I'd like to see the guys with the brass to cheat if cheating earns their team a tourny suspension.

[benzy2]

yeah you know a sport that has no instant replay. It is college football. They get the same penelties or weaker ones then pro football.

[Kneedragger]

Originally posted by dcmander
No sport has all perfect calls. Even the sports that do ocassionally have a camera review (NFL - Coach's Challenge), it doesn't happen all the time. Paintball players just need to accept that it is gonna happen. But I agree that it won't stop enless larger punishments are made and enforced for cheating/unsportsmanship conduct, etc.


O/T: Whats an example of a 3 for 1 penalty?

Wiping is a 3 for 1

[Kneedragger]

Originally posted by davidb

For example: Team "Off In the Woods" plays in the WC and wins the Pro Division. Later, on review of the tapes, it is found that on several occasions, members of the team wiped, played through hits which they could clearly be seen to have flinched from, and committed various and sundry other offences. Their title is revoked, and they are told that they are not welcome in the next tourney. Other teams in other tournies who are found to have cheated are docked points, forced to play at a disadvantage next time around, or suspended.

It's probably too costly to be feasible at the moment, but could be something to give serious consideration to in the future. Maybe Warpig.com could be contracted to do the filming?

And once again, if you have the ref reviewing the video, and he does like many of the refs now and doesn't ENFORCE the rules, what's the point? you've just spent a bunch of money for lots of video equipment but you still haven't solved any of the problems. Still goes back to accountability. If you don't have it, nothings going to change.

[billmi]

Originally posted by Kneedragger


And once again, if you have the ref reviewing the video, and he does like many of the refs now and doesn't ENFORCE the rules, what's the point?

SHUSHUSHSUSH!!!!!

Davidb has the right answer. Just raise the entry fees and cut me a check for $7.5 million dollars. It will be good for the economy too, look at all the people that will be employed because of it!

Just back it and I'll keep quiet about that brand of loaders who's jems are illegal under NPPL rules, but the refs keep ignoring.


Really if the refs enforced NPPL rule 5.25, the games would go much faster, and it would be absolutely obvious who had fired each shot, and no one would be able to play on (I suppose they could if they shot themselves in the foot, but that's the only way).


See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

[Trunnion]

i'm a little confused. rule 5.25 says "Gun barrels may be equipped with proting, slots, and/or rifling, but may not have a sound suppressor attached or integral to the construction of the barrel. Only one barrel will be allowed on the field." how would this make the games go faster and what not?

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by billmi
Really if the refs enforced NPPL rule 5.25, the games would go much faster, and it would be absolutely obvious who had fired each shot, and no one would be able to play on (I suppose they could if they shot themselves in the foot, but that's the only way).

So a gain of center barrel instead of center flag?

THink the NPPL could do with a closer look at it's rule book?

Or, is it just a typo on Paintballrefs.com?

[davidb]

Originally posted by billmi


OK, for World Cup this year, that would have taken 240 cameras and operators to have one camera on every player - double that if you want two angles on every player so you cen see when they flinch from a hit. Half that number for the 5 man, and you're looking at a crew of 500 people for half a week, and 250 for half a week (I'm throwing in the extra 10-20 staffers that would be needed to run tapes back and forth to the fields, and store them in a truck.

Now, when it's done there will be some 15,000 hours of tape to be reviewed. Reviewing it in detail enough to catch a flinch from a hit, and then cross reference to the other camera view for a comparison is going to take 5 man hours per hour of footage MINIMUM, so we're talking around 75,000 man hours to review the footage. We add in equipment time, and we're looking at an overall budget on the order of 7.5 million dollars.

OK, so we just raise the entry fees to deal with that. Using this year's attendance as an example, Corinthian Media Services (the company that publishes WARPIG.com - AKA me) could contract a job like this (OK, I'd do a corporate restructure, and have big staffing issues, but wave a 7.5 million dollar check in my face and I'll find a way).

Entry fees would need to be increased by over $18,000 per team to cover the cost, and then, somewhere between 6 months and 5 years after the tournament was over, once the video was analized, we could publish a list of teams who were disqualified, and PSP could ask them to give the prizes back.

Then again, raise the entry fees by that much, and fewer teams will attend, so the video costs would go down.

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

LOL I was waiting for you to come back and let me know exactly what magnitude of impossibility we were looking at here. About what I expected.

[manike]

Originally posted by Trunnion
Only one barrel will be allowed on the field

...

Think about it...

[billmi]

Originally posted by Trunnion
i'm a little confused. rule 5.25 says "Gun barrels may be equipped with proting, slots, and/or rifling, but may not have a sound suppressor attached or integral to the construction of the barrel. Only one barrel will be allowed on the field." how would this make the games go faster and what not?

Because if there is only one barrel on the field, only one player can actually shoot paint. He would, reasonably quickly shoot all the players on the other team. And, since they couldn't shoot back (thrown paint does not count as an elimination) none of them could play on (which is generally interpreted as shooting) after being hit.

Then again, I'm sure someone would quickly build some guns with Loooooong breeches that could get some decent velocity even when tha barrel was removed.

That is not a typo, that's the actual rule. What is enforced in the NPPL/PSP events is the spirit of that rule - they only allow one barrel *per player* on the field.

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

[Trunnion]

thanks. i totally missed that. man, do i feel dumb now. manike, i actually DID think about it, and i just couldn't come up with anything. i guess i just interpreted the way the rule should be written, and just didn't catch what was actually written. sorry for making you have to explain it to me.

[demonguy8]

there are reasons I should probably never reff in the nppl... and I think that one sums it up for me as I would have a great deal of fun going up to the two teams and telling them that out of 20 people that only 1 is getting to bring a barrel out on the field....
maybe i just have a warped sense of humor?


Edit: i know some markers have little/no trouble firing a ball without a barrel...(albeit at about 30 fps and in no particularly set direction) so couldnt they all be actually shooting or is there a rule against playing without a barrel?

[Kneedragger]

Originally posted by billmi


SHUSHUSHSUSH!!!!!

Davidb has the right answer. Just raise the entry fees and cut me a check for $7.5 million dollars. It will be good for the economy too, look at all the people that will be employed because of it!

Just back it and I'll keep quiet about that brand of loaders who's jems are illegal under NPPL rules, but the refs keep ignoring.


Really if the refs enforced NPPL rule 5.25, the games would go much faster, and it would be absolutely obvious who had fired each shot, and no one would be able to play on (I suppose they could if they shot themselves in the foot, but that's the only way).


See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

LOL, of course there is the loader must be a SOLID color rule. I have yet to see a ref stop a player fropm taking black loader with a clear lid out on the field.