the player or the gun

[TippmannMan]

about time i made a poll do you think its the player the gun or a mixture of both that makes someone good. i think its a mixture since i honestly believe a gun has SOMETHING to do with how well you can play.

edit: oh and btw if you choose either the player or gun please justify your vote. i understand being a good player is crucial in how good you can be but if i had a blowgun i would NOT be nearly as efficient as i could with say an e-mag for AO sake . if you are playing against other players of reasonable skill with respectable guns i think it would be quite challenging to win with a low end gun.

[Seabass]

I'd say the player , I've seen some really experienced players that play with pumps just totally own guys with electro guns. So that would disprove the gun theory. It's all player , if ya got da skillz you'll get the killz.

- Seabass

[AcemanPB]

A gun is only as good as it's player and a player is only as good as his gun

[Prezents]

PLAYER

I played for 5+ years with a pump against semi players and learned to win the game and get the snap shot on them. Now I shoot a mag, but still love to play with a pump.

[TippmannMan]

i consider pump guns vs semi to be pretty equal tho

[AcemanPB]

I don't consider 13bps vs. 2bps equal at all. Semis have an advantage, no doubt.

[Xerces]

i love playing with my maverick. and it is definately all about the player. i was playing with this one guy with the crappy little pump, maybe used 2 10 round tubes the whole game, owned some kid with his angel, right on his neck! i have to laugh at people who think they can suck but have an expensive gun make them good.

[TippmannMan]

this will probably be the last time i defend my opinion since it seems there will be plenty of debate but i think pumps are great guns and though i have not proven it i think they are all around sturdier guns and have a greater accuracy/consistency. plus that kid with the angel you referred to Xerces and for that matter any person who happens to have a high end gun. its possible that they just suck. also note that i said a mixture of both. i am not saying a high end gun will automatically make you a better player but i believe it takes more than the player to get to the top.

[darklord]

definitely about the player, however, a gun can limit one's abilities, especially in terms of firepower. However, a good player can overcome a loss of firepower easily, just as Prezents exemplified with his pump.

[Brak]

player, all player!

[loren]

The gun is part of the player.

You can not compare a player that sucks with a good marker to a pro player with a pump.

You take two people with equal skill and have them vs. each other one with an angel the other with a pump. And most likly the player with the angel will when, but not always.

And when you get into mutple people games such as 3, 5, 7, 10 man games. There is alot more targets and alot more action thus making a faster shooting marker much more important.

You need both skillz and firepower to be good.

I also vote PIE.

[z-zero]

mixture

A player can't be good unless his/her gun works during the game. Thats why I choose a gun based soley on the reliability factor, thus an automag for me. Point being its got to work to play.

z-zero

[Kevmaster]

id say 95% player. i can take on a bunch of newbies if i get a talon and they get my Emag. i could still beat them just because i know how to play and they generally dont. the base must be there before a nice gun will hlep. a newbie with an angel will fare no better than a newbie with a spyder(unless you are like me a field owner who gets to sell them paint )

and once the base IS there the gun then comes into play. if im just as good as another player, if my gun is signifigantly better(emag compared with spyder or spyder compared with pump gun) then i will have the advantage. just look at the results from the POG at the IAO:
12 4 36 28 98 0 16

not an impressive showing from pumpplayers.com



anywys, the gun will help but only once youve reached a talented level

[adam shannon]

one shot, one kill...for the other team!

I'm new here so forgive me jumping in...but i vote player. Michael Jordan barefoot may not be as on top of his game as Mike in a good fitting pair of go fasters, but all the gatorade in the world and he could still whoop most people at one on one. A good player in any sport is what its all about, better equipment just adds a few % points to his game.
I'm not a pro, but I'm not a rookie either...and I've had the opprotunity to be at the wrong end of a couple instances that help emphasize my point...either that or i really suck and am totally unlucky.
recently i was playing a rec open game on a wooded field. I come around the corner of a thicket and engage 3 people from the side by surprise. I knock one out immediately going crazy finger on my impulse. The other two fall back to cover and we get in a running gunfight with me exchanging fire alternately with both. from nowhere a guy with an sl-68 who had been laying behind a log 40 feet away sits up takes one shot hits me right between the eyes, then lays back down again. thats skill and stone cold precision. That guy has been coming out to alot of sunday open games with the same pump playing against cockers, angels, impulses, and every other make of semi on the market...no fear, just skill.
Last weekend playing a hyperball field on an open game one of the refs jumped in to play to even the teams. The only marker available was a guys pgp pistol. From the break the ref breaks to the 50. Now hes pinned down by a guy posted on him...he cant even poke his head up. The guy posted on him wraps around his bunker left to shoot on a guy breaking for the center bunker. When he peeks back right the ref with the pgp has posted on him and fires one shot and hits him right between the eyes. Later the same ref bunkers 2 guys with the same pgp. He fired 5 shots the whole game and hit 3 guys. thats guts and skill.
OK, i admit it i was the guy gogged by the pgp...i really must suck. i can dodge a stream of balls from an angel...but pump guns hit me like radar guided missles....lol.

Heres another thats moe guts than skill...but i'm dying to tell this one. This was at a team practice with two amateur nppl teams, with a couple pro players filling in on each team I was watching. A guy with a full leg cast with a walking boot limped the full length of the field to bunker the last man on the opposing team. we were all standing there just stupified. I dont feel so bad getting gogged by a pgp, at least i wasnt bunkered by a cripple.

adam

[DarkPhoenix]

I voted a mixture a both, with a heavy emphasis on the player. Alot of people out there right now rely heavily on the latest and greatest technology to improve their game. Having the latest and greatest marker may help in the short run, but it does nothing to improve you. You can give great players mediocre markers and they will perform well, as evidenced by team Bad Company. Another example is you can give a mediocre team good markers but they may not perform well at all, evidenced by team OBR. I have friends on both teams, but I have to give massive respect to Bad Company, whom for those who don't know compete with Spyders.