Returning player .. upgrade question

**spazzed** · 11-04-2002, 12:16 PM

It'd be cheaper to just upgrade.

My recommended order:

1. Level 10. 'Nuff said.
2. Nitro if you don't have it already.
3. Intelliframe.
4. Warp.
5. Any other stuff you feel is needed.

**Load SM5** · 11-04-2002, 12:18 PM

Tough call. An Rt Pro pretty much has all that you would want already. But it sort of rob's you of the opportunity to build and customize as you go. Personally, I would just start building from what you have. If you search around you can get most of the parts used for a good deal.

**digitard** · 11-04-2002, 12:21 PM

Thanks ... I was sorta thinking that ...

I know I can send in my valve and replace it and get a RETRO VALVE so then I'd get the recharge/shot performance of the RT Valve ... then I can just upgrade part by part and eventually just upgrade the body as well to get the final look/feel of the RT that I love ...

Any other suggestions on "what would be good" upgrade components part by part?

So far Im sure on replacing the valve and picking up a Lvl10 kit ... And automatically going to Nitro 68/3000 steel (price) should do right?

Suggestions w/ information is always helpful to find the best price to performance ratio

Sincerely,
Dave K

**oldsoldier** · 11-04-2002, 12:29 PM

Get the intelliframe too. Dont even think of getting any other double trigger. After that, you should be good to go.

**digitard** · 11-04-2002, 12:33 PM

Here's my upgrade list in order so far ... thoughts?

1) RTValve & Nitro
2) Intelliframe
3) Level 10
4) WarpFeed
5) Replace the classic body w/ an RT body

Good deal?

Sincerely,
Dave K

**oldsoldier** · 11-04-2002, 12:35 PM

I strongly suggest trying a warp before buying. Some love them, some dont. If someone you know has one, play with it...see how it feels. Other than that, list looks good.

**Load SM5** · 11-04-2002, 12:36 PM

Well lessee....

Nitro if you don't have it (retro's only run on nitro anyway)

Level 10 bolt kit(all but eliminates chops)

Intelliframe (nice 45 double trigger frame that allows you to intellifeed your hopper so it spins with every trigger pull. I assume you have a least a 12 volt hopper.)

Powefeed or centerfeed body (personal preference, but not too needed)

Retro Valve(really takes your performance to a new level)

There are also piles of cosmetic upgrades to customize your mag as well a powdercoaters to make your body whatever color you want.

Edit* I typed this while the others typed theirs. I can't type fast while eating re-heated Chinese food.

Welcome to AO by the way.

**a_malfunction** · 11-04-2002, 12:37 PM

Personally, unless you are going to get all of that at once, I would go with this order:

Level 10
HPA
Intelliframe
Retro Valve
Warp
And finally, the body/other cosmetic improvements.

But it's your money.

**digitard** · 11-04-2002, 12:37 PM

Hmmmm,
You have a point ... by going lvl10 first I can eliminate the ball chops and stuff right away and then slide upwards ...

OIII the choices ..lol... any other info? .. Thanks for all the info, I'm turning into a pb addict again (I have found replacements to my tattoo's ..lol) and I'm psyched to rework my gun

Sincerely,
Dave

**ben_JD** · 11-04-2002, 01:52 PM

I was in the same boat you are in now about 16 months ago and these folks really helped me out. I had an Automag without any frills and was still running CO2. If you have to upgrade one piece at a time, I would make nitro your very first purchase. Even before Level 10, I would get rid of that CO2 tank. You would not imagine how different that marker shoot with compressed air behind every shot. Don't feel that you have to buy the nicest fiber-wrapped rig; just get a nice PMI or Crossfire screw-in steel tank and smile.

Then, get the level 10 so that you will basically eliminate chopping paintballs from your thoughts. After that, I would get the ReTro valve. In my opinion, the Level 10 is more important than the ReTro, because with compressed air, the Classic valve is still hard to beat and even firing very fast, noticable shootdown is not really a problem. Also, you can throw your Level 10 kit into your new ReTro valve once you have upgraded.

I'm not sure why you would replace the body, but to move to a Warpfeed body if you ever move in that direction; other than that it is not a necessary purchase other than cosmetic (which is a good reason of its own

)

After that, it's up to you, but here is my suggested upgrade path; keeping in mind everthing on this list is what I added to my Automag not too long ago:

1) Nitrogen (on the cheap, about $100);
2) Level 10 ($80);
3) ReTro Valve ($200);
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4) Better barrel (if you don't have one, $50-$120));
5) Intelliframe ($120); and
6) Better nitrogen system ($150-???).

**digitard** · 11-04-2002, 02:07 PM

Question ...

Add ons I'm pretty familiar with .. but Nitrogen im in the dark on ..

What do I need exactly to upgrade my current setup to Nitrogen? Basically its just the classic 68 valve w/ a remote connector instead of a bottomline.

Oh, and the reason I wanna replace the body is mine isn't Powerfeed/Vert feed ... its the classic of classics ..lol.. just wanna fix that, so might as well go with a nice body setup.

Sincerely,
Dave K

**Remington** · 11-04-2002, 02:20 PM

I recommend getting a Crossfire 68cubic inch 3000 psi nitrogen tank. It's a fantastic beginner's(not that your a beginner to paintball, only to nitrogen) tank and will really take you to the point of not needing another one unless you want to start using an adjustible output tank. Also depending on how long you've your mag on CO2 you may or may not have to replace your Reg. Piston. If, however, it's in good condition, you should be able to just screw in a preset nitro tank and be ready to play. You should also look into getting some Parker Flex Macroline(ask Tunaman for some)and a nice drop forward. The nitro tanks are big and cumbersome and the drop forward will move your tank forward and help balance your marker better. Hope this helps. Good luck with your upgrading!

**digitard** · 11-04-2002, 02:23 PM

Okay,
So verify this one for me ...

As long as I get a preset output Nitro tank I dont have to do any upgrading right away? Minus maybe replacing the one part if its warn down?

Then I can add in a drop forward/etc at a later point?

Can I still use my remote with the preset output tank, or do I need to convert to a ongun line?

Sorry to ask all these questions, when it comes to rules and playing I'm very knowledgeable ... but I never upgraded my gun cause I was 17 at the time and didn't have money so I never learned about it ... now I'm 22 and I wanna rebuild it so I can take my one skill I have in life (I can tag someone in the head from a good distance away) and get into it again.

Sincerely,
Dave K

**yeahthatsme** · 11-04-2002, 03:36 PM

just as an fyi paintballgear.com has multiple steel tanks on sale currently. this is what i would do( if i wasnt already buying a gun with it all)

1. level ten(no chops=YAY!!!!!)
2.retro( reactive trigger and super recharge rate, also you will need a compressed air tank to use this, it doesnt run on co2)
3. inteliframe( no more not feeding and you get the super nice double trigger)
4.warp feed( fast feed rate, and you can shoot in weird positions. also it gets the hopper off the top of your gun)
5. barrel kit( ie freak or custom products kits)

i would also think of just biting the bullet and getting a good adjustable tank( ie, max-flo, flatline, or angel air)

thats about it.

Returning player .. upgrade question