Marker info needed!!

[Canadian GP]

I have been reading other PB forums and when someone asks for opinions about certain equipment people always seem to own the best possable gear. "Mine is the worlds best (whatever)" Most members of this forum seem much more mature and tell things like they are so I come to you for some advice.

My teenage son owns a RAS (Piranaha clone) semi for the past yr. We have been playing a lot of bushball lately and he has met up with a few experienced players. He now believes he wants to try and start up a team to compete in local tournaments.

At this point he is hot for the 2003 Autococker, stock, not one of the hopped up versions that are out there. From what I've read these markers work well as long as you don't tinker with them. Has anyone here had experience with a cocker or any other tourny marker of this caliber.

Thanks for taking the time to read this.

[Skoad]

I've read these markers work well as long as you don't tinker with them.

your talking about cockers right?

I'm pretty sure you HAVE to tinker with them. My friend has one and it seems to have a problem everytime we play, then he sits down for 15-20 minutes messing with it and it works.

I think cockers are a good marker, IF they are working.

[personman]

Naw, tell him to get a classic mag.
Rumors they chop?
For the diffrence of price of a stock cocker and a stock mag, you could purchuse Level 10, which eliminates chopping (trust me, I have owned mine sence I think it was june when I bought it, and not ONE chop sence!) and also greatly reduces recoil.
They are simple, and take little or no effort to use.
All you need to do is oil it and it will be teh gift that keeps on giving.

Im not saying that cockers are bad markers, I have nothing against them. If he honestally is sure he wants a cocker, tell him to go for it. They need a little more attention than a mag, but if thats what he wants, then ok.

[HoppysMag]

almost every marker is a tournemnt marker, cause its the player not the gun.... Mags are good ( duh) cockers are cool. a BKO is a cheap electro version of a bushmaster and impulses can be decent... they have stock 2002 cockers on sale at paintballgear.com with free hinge trigger( 80$ value) for a total of 319$ i think... thats a pretty good deal so if thats what your son wants nows the time...

[big E kingpin]

stock cockers are great guns, espeacally now. older models you would need to put some money into to get them on a nice opperaation level. i have one along with 2 mags (ones an e-mag ). i love my cocker, but like he said i spend more time triing to keep it timed and firing consistant then playing with it. if i get one good day out of it with out having to tweek it, im extatic. i would look at a mag, but then again im a mag guy who just happens to own a cocker cuz i like to play with moving parts.

[booyah]

first.

cockers come from the factory in good working order nearly 100% of the time and will stay that way for months on end assuming the user doesnt screw around with it not knowing what they are doing.

second.

a cocker isnt that hard to work on assuming you know what you are doing, and if your technically minded (as in know which way to turn a wrench) its not that hard to figure out how they work on your own.

third.

a paintball doesnt care what gun it was shot from. assuming your gun is consistant, has a good barrel fit, and you can shoot it as quick as you want to, any (i repeat ANY) paintball gun will work as a tourny level marker.

finally.

I strongly suggest checking out a gun that comes from the factory with some form of anti-chopping attempt (level 10, free flow, eye, cops, etc) in the new age of tourny markers. This little thing acts as great insurance to being able to stay funtional in the game longer. Personally i suggest a levl 10 rt pro (that way you get a nice double trigger, no chop, and a great consistant/fast/reliable gun) but hey, i've owned 3 bushmasters, 4 cockers (from stock to the complete custom job i am finishing now) 3 RT's, my classic mag (my main gun) and a good dozen blowback guns.

take your pick, I love mags personally

-Booyah

[AzrealDarkmoonZ]

Cockers...

Cockers are a GREAT gun, probably the most prolific marker in existence. You can function with a Cocker for a long time without even having to ever touch it. Plus almost every paintball field worth their salt either employs or as someone available to help with Cockers.

I would wait until the 2k3s come out if you can, exceptional milling and come with hinge standard, or get the System X, you get a lot of marker for the price, although the pnuematics are not the best thing ever they are functional and do their business.

Cockers work fine, although if you like to tinker with things expect to spend many an afternoon experimenting. Quite simply if you don't touch them generally few things will go out of time, occasionally a rod will begin to slip or somesuch and you may have to tighten it up a bit but other than that no biggie. The cocker is actually not that hard to understand once you understand it is just basicly three different but connected systems.

With a little tinkering you can halve the trigger pull mulitple the effiency by half and have it almost never chop balls, all for the price of a valve tool, spring set and your time and paint.

If you have any questions feel free to ask here or trot over to air-powered.com, we will be more than happy to help you in any way possible.

Mags, are also a good deal right now but it is a love hate relationship with the on off feeling trigger. I myself love both but there is something special about the silky smoothness of a nice cocker slider.

Az

[-=Squid=-]

My oppinnion on cockers? Leave them alone. If yo uwant an upgraded cocker get one that way. The more you put on them the less they seemt to work right. In my oppinnion the stock WGP cockers will give you less problems that any others. I say gof for it.

[FooTemps]

Cockers are really good guns imo. Just leave them be. Don't try to tinker w/ them unless you really know what you're doing.

[minimag187]

An impulse for $399 at pbgear.com is good. They work well on Co2 which can be a plus in certain cases (more shots per tank). Or a lvl 10 mag would be another good choice.

[JEDI]

I'm going to have to disagree with the "leave a cocker alone" idea, or that adding to them makes them worse. Now mind you, you either have to know what you're doing, or bring it to some one who does.

I have a 2002 vert cocker. Sice the IAO, heres the list of upgrades. 1)Kapp reflex swing, 2)AKA lightning bolt, 3)Bellsales Hollowpoint 3-way, 4)Palmer micro-rock LPR, 5)Sindwinder Reg, 6)Kapp ball detent, 7)Kapp evo-style pull pin for bolt & 8)Freak stainless. Plus many other non-performance enhancing goodies.

Soon to have a Palmer Quick Ram, and an AKA pump rod. This is my first cocker, I put all these parts on myself to give you an idea. This gun Rips! I would put its performance up against any big name custom cocker.

There is a reason there are so many after market cocker parts, and companies making them...They work!

Again though, the disclaimer is: You either have to know what you're doing, or know someone who does.

[Ov3rmind]

Cockers are great guns!
I'll have to agree with most, don't tinker if you don't know what you're doing. I'd suggest reading up on them a lot, and ask local airsmiths about any questions you may have. Once you learn how a Cocker works and some basic trouble shooting knowledge, you really wont have to worry about anything with a Cocker. 99% of Cocker problems can be fixed my simply making a few adjustments or replacing an O ring or two, nothing too big. Once you have upgraded it to your standards and have it timed and tuned, they'll shoot like a dream.

One thing I'd HIGHLY suggest before your son goes out and buys one, is to shoot one. They feel very different than most paintball markers, and some people hate it. It's always best to see how the marker actually shoots before you make a major purchase. I don't know if he has shot one before, but if he hasn't, just take this into consideration.

Anyway, hope he likes it. So far I've been extremely satisfied with my gun!

[Trench]

If he wants one, then take him to the local pro shop and shoot one a couple times... Be sure to put a e-mag in his hands to though... Maybe not cause your paying I guess :-) Lol... Everything is personal preference...

Cockers are very good guns... Just be sure you got a tech guy around that knows them very well...

[hardr0ck68]

i love cockers, have him buy a cocker and everyone else you know buy a cocker...why? oh just because theres nothin better than hearing ::clunk, grrnt' ppppfffffftttttt:: cause you know you are now effectivly playin aginst a 4 man team not a 5.....one thing about cockers, THEY WILL FAIL...so will every paintgun at one point or anoter but cockers have an annoying way of doing it just when you dont need it to....when your in the shop dry firing...perfact. at home test firing behind the house....so good it hurts. First big tourny ::clunk, grrnt, ppppfffffffttttt::

[HoppysMag]

Originally posted by hardr0ck68
i love cockers, have him buy a cocker and everyone else you know buy a cocker...why? oh just because theres nothin better than hearing ::clunk, grrnt' ppppfffffftttttt:: cause you know you are now effectivly playin aginst a 4 man team not a 5.....one thing about cockers, THEY WILL FAIL...so will every paintgun at one point or anoter but cockers have an annoying way of doing it just when you dont need it to....when your in the shop dry firing...perfact. at home test firing behind the house....so good it hurts. First big tourny ::clunk, grrnt, ppppfffffffttttt::

lol its funny, those sounds remind me of playing against a cocker first time... i went "what the 'heck' is that? a staple gun?"