WAS at it again...

[gatorchris]

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=156668

I have to get on a plane shortly, I dont have time to do the research but Im sure some of you may even have some of the older threads bookmarked I think hes changing his tune again, in the above thread hes saying that the BIP does nothing and its the ram delay that fixes halo chop. I could swear in some of the early on threads that BIP was his answer, set at 0 chop, set at 1 no chop or something like that. Hate to see him do this over and over again, I guess he thinks no one is watching?

[einhander619]

thank god and baby jesus I don't have an intimidator, cuz if Idid, it would have one of those in it, and I'd be in alot of trouble!

[JEDI]

Why can't you people let the WAS issue go? The guy is not trying to take over the world with false claims. He's a very smart guy trying to make it in the paintball industry. He has some very innovative ideas, and is doing his best to put out a decent product. Stop hanging on his every word trying to trip him up. He's not trying to force some bogus BALL CHOPPING religion down anyone's throat. If you dont like his products DON'T BUY THEM.

Get a life and make an attempt to better the paintball community in other ways than posting from the safety of your home. I've used a WAS Timmy, and it was that board alone that might have just sold me on a GZ as my next gun.

Have we all forgotten about the first Super Bolt? "Ooo, hold you tounge," - "That's AGD you're talking about."

No one gets it right the first time. How long did it take Tom to come up with Level 10, and it still comes with many parts to work out the bugs.

Give the guy a break. The hypocracy around here is making me sick.

[shartley]

Originally posted by JEDI
Why can't you people let the WAS issue go? The guy is not trying to take over the world with false claims. He's a very smart guy trying to make it in the paintball industry. He has some very innovative ideas, and is doing his best to put out a decent product. Stop hanging on his every word trying to trip him up. He's not trying to force some bogus BALL CHOPPING religion down anyone's throat. If you dont like his products DON'T BUY THEM.

Get a life and make an attempt to better the paintball community in other ways than posting from the safety of your home. I've used a WAS Timmy, and it was that board alone that might have just sold me on a GZ as my next gun.

Have we all forgotten about the first Super Bolt? "Ooo, hold you tounge," - "That's AGD you're talking about."

No one gets it right the first time. How long did it take Tom to come up with Level 10, and it still comes with many parts to work out the bugs.

Give the guy a break. The hypocracy around here is making me sick.

[SyntaxError]

Originally posted by shartley

Now, I'm not one to badmouth AGD's products, but I do believe that Mr. Kaye's superbolt didn't work like he said it would. When I bought it I didnt remember him saying, "HEY! Added feature! The bolt sleeve breaks!", all I remember was "Drastically reduces ball breakage!" and all that. Even while it "worked" (ie. wasn't broken) it didn't perform like advertised. I see somewhat of a connection here.

Now, not to say that Tom isn't a great guy. I have nothing against AGD, I shoot mags, and I've been an AGD fan since I started playing, but I also don't like to hear everyone riding Mr. Drew at WAS for trying to do business like our beloved airgun CEO himself. I mean, originally his claims against the Level 10 system were not appropriate, however I don't think members of AO should jump all over him for trying to sell his products, I mean look at the E-Matrix's ad campaign: "Most accurate marker out there!" I don't remember this whole deal about that! Give WAS a break guys, and unless he comes here and says all his stuff, whether it be BS or not, leave him alone.

[shartley]

Originally posted by SyntaxError
Now, I'm not one to badmouth AGD's products, but I do believe that Mr. Kaye's superbolt didn't work like he said it would. When I bought it I didnt remember him saying, "HEY! Added feature! The bolt sleeve breaks!", all I remember was "Drastically reduces ball breakage!" and all that. Even while it "worked" (ie. wasn't broken) it didn't perform like advertised. I see somewhat of a connection here.

Now, not to say that Tom isn't a great guy. I have nothing against AGD, I shoot mags, and I've been an AGD fan since I started playing, but I also don't like to hear everyone riding Mr. Drew at WAS for trying to do business like our beloved airgun CEO himself. I mean, originally his claims against the Level 10 system were not appropriate, however I don't think members of AO should jump all over him for trying to sell his products, I mean look at the E-Matrix's ad campaign: "Most accurate marker out there!" I don't remember this whole deal about that! Give WAS a break guys, and unless he comes here and says all his stuff, whether it be BS or not, leave him alone.

[Miscue]

It was claimed to be a lighter bolt that lowered recoil... which it does.

The Superbolt never got past the trial/beta period... and was never a full production product... it didn't become one after it was shown to have problems.

AGD had everyone pull it off the shelves and offered discounts to people trading it in... which still stands.

And now we have L.10 and SuperboltII... so...

[FutureMagOwner]

i wonder if the super bolt worked if level 10 would have been made now later or ever.

[pito189]

Originally posted by FutureMagOwner
i wonder if the super bolt worked if level 10 would have been made now later or ever.

I think it would have, because even though the Superbolt was lighter, it still did not reduce chops to the extent at which LX does.

LX is a whole new bolt system while the the Superbolt was just lighter, and made of derlin.

[JEDI]

Listen, I'm not saying anyone is above getting criticized. And I'm not saying Tom should be burned at the stake, or didnt take his lumps. And NO, I dont think the superbolt and the WAS issue are the same. I'm just trying to compare the fact that mistakes are made.

I personally dont agree that people should have to pay to be part of beta/proto-type testing. Its a neccessary process, but its BS to be used as a guinea pig for something that may not work, AND have to pay for it.

If Tom wants us to be his research and developement, fine, but I hate paying for it. Here is my main issue right here Though. Its ignorance like this that pisses me off

thank god and baby jesus I don't have an intimidator, cuz if Idid, it would have one of those in it, and I'd be in alot of trouble!

I dont mind putting someone on the stand, but lets not bash them to the point that they don't want to return. Then we all lose out.

[JEDI]

AND!!!! Not to mention Paintball Kingdom, Bob long himself, and soon AKA Excaliburs, all consider the WAS board to be a very big improvement to the Intimidators. So something good must be going on here.

So you know what, einhander619, I hope an ignorant person such as yourself NEVER does own a Timmy, because it would give a bad name to an otherwise smart bunch of paintball players

[Mango]

Originally posted by JEDI

I personally dont agree that people should have to pay to be part of beta/proto-type testing. Its a neccessary process, but its BS to be used as a guinea pig for something that may not work, AND have to pay for it.

Uhh sorry dude, but I got a full refund for my broken Superbolt when I sent it back to AGD. So it dident cost me a dime.

[bofh]

Originally posted by JEDI
AND!!!! Not to mention Paintball Kingdom, Bob long himself, and soon AKA Excaliburs, all consider the WAS board to be a very big improvement to the Intimidators. So something good must be going on here.

JEDI, settle down, no one ever said that the WAS board is substandard in any way.

The WAS stuff is good, and Jim Drew is a very good programmer. The people vocal about him on this board dislike his style of promotion, myself included. Never have we said that his products aren't good. Never.

[JEDI]

What ever guys, you're reading only the parts of my posts you choose to hear. Yes, you got your money back for the broken bolt, but you still paid for it regardless of if it broke or not. Just like we all paid to be Beta testers for the Level 10 (a product which I am happy with). But if it should fail, will it be yet another thing we get refunded for? Why not have a set group of people test it for free? YA KNOW WHAT? WHO CARES, THIS IS NOT MY ISSUE. I'm happy with AGD.

Its unprovoked bashing that bothers me. What if a person completely unaware of the WAS situation, or of WAS products comes here and reads: "WAS is at it again." or even worse,

thank god and baby jesus I don't have an intimidator, cuz if Idid, it would have one of those in it, and I'd be in alot of trouble!

This just seems like an unfair assessment from people who dont have facts and research to back it up. I have no reason to stick up for WAS, but there is a difference between a REAL problem, and people searching for anything to dig their claws into.

Here's my main objective, that maybe some of you will agree on. Couldnt we just let this issue die until either a faulty product does come out, or something damaging is said. Most of you agree that the WAS stuff IS good, so whats the problem? Bogus claims are made every day, but most of us can see past them. Lets keep the issues here on AO focused and helpful, and not clutter the forum with Nit-picking and useless banter.

[bofh]

Originally posted by einhander619
thank god and baby jesus I don't have an intimidator, cuz if Idid, it would have one of those in it, and I'd be in alot of trouble!

Actually, I just no idea what he means by this.

I think he's saying that he'd buy a WAS board, because there is no other board to have in a Timmy, but then the board would cause him to be "in a lot of trouble."

What kind of trouble would it cause? Would he run up a large credit card bill from shooting so much paint? It's the only thing I can think of.

Has anybody said any bad things anywhere, about the WAS board?