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  • SyntaxError
    OSK #3
    • Sep 2001
    • 621

    #16
    Ok, well I agree with Jedi in this case. You guys criticize WAS's stuff, you do! Look at your old posts about his original intimidator board, and how the emag just "smokes it in every category", or how it was claimed to be substandard. The truth is, it is a faster board than the stock timmy one! From the two intimidators I have shot, one with WAS, one with the stock board (i believe), the WAS setup seemed faster to me. From my standpoint, it did what it was supposed to.

    Now as to the superbolt issue, Tom Kaye can be and was blamed for the substandard product that was the superbolt, but thats not the point here. The point is that the superbolt didn't work as advertised either. It simply did not. There are people on this board that can attest to the fact that my superbolt broke MORE paint than my stock bolt, to the point that even with a "technically" working superbolt, the breakage was so bad I was forced to remove it. I believe that it was advertised to "Break far less paint than the stock bolt!" In addition, the "less recoil" that I expected it to provide was marginal, it really wasnt a noticable amount. Talk about products not performing as advertised!

    The only reason I am posting in this thread is to defend the fact that Jim Drew has not done anything bad, he hasn't spoken out against AGD's products. Even the claims about his own product are reasonable, and until I see one of you techie wizards prove all his stuff otherwise, I see nothing wrong with the advertising of his products. In addition, I don't see the reasoning for pouncing on him as soon as he suggested the use of his own product. What was he supposed to do? Tell them to stick with Bob Long's boards? He's gotta make his cash too.

    Bringing me to my final point. I paid to be a beta tester of both the superbolt I and II, and was thoroughly pissed with the fact that I was really only refunded about 50% with the superbolt trade in for level 10 program. The adverse effects as a result of that POS, including losing twenty bucks plus the broken paint was terrible. At least Jim's product doesn't end up doing the opposite of what it should.

    I guess what I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with WAS's claims. The product is very nice from what I can tell, and the only reason for brining up the Superbolt issue is to show how while AGD can put out a product that didn't live up to its claims, they didn't get jumped on for the LX stuff. Give this guy some breathing room, stop acting ignorant. Don't jump on the guy with statements like "WAS at it again!" and completely bash his products. How do you know they don't perform like he says he does? And whats your problem with his advertising? He's not insulting you is he? Well then don't bother the guy.
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    • magman007
      I <3 my Penis
      • Jun 2001
      • 7579

      #17
      actually, in a past thread, jim spoke out against AO... And you know what? that really peaved me.. Wer all know jim is smoke and miriors... things he does, do not make sence, then he justifies them with an even stranger reason, his story has changed multipole times.... and we have even proven him wrong on the turbo rev... SO shut your little mouths, and get your facts straight before you tell us to get our facts straight



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      • shartley
        paintball player
        • Mar 2001
        • 9169

        #18
        Originally posted by SyntaxError
        Ok, well I agree with Jedi in this case. You guys criticize WAS's stuff, you do! Look at your old posts about his original intimidator board, and how the emag just "smokes it in every category", or how it was claimed to be substandard. The truth is, it is a faster board than the stock timmy one! From the two intimidators I have shot, one with WAS, one with the stock board (i believe), the WAS setup seemed faster to me. From my standpoint, it did what it was supposed to.

        Now as to the superbolt issue, Tom Kaye can be and was blamed for the substandard product that was the superbolt, but thats not the point here. The point is that the superbolt didn't work as advertised either. It simply did not. There are people on this board that can attest to the fact that my superbolt broke MORE paint than my stock bolt, to the point that even with a "technically" working superbolt, the breakage was so bad I was forced to remove it. I believe that it was advertised to "Break far less paint than the stock bolt!" In addition, the "less recoil" that I expected it to provide was marginal, it really wasnt a noticable amount. Talk about products not performing as advertised!

        The only reason I am posting in this thread is to defend the fact that Jim Drew has not done anything bad, he hasn't spoken out against AGD's products. Even the claims about his own product are reasonable, and until I see one of you techie wizards prove all his stuff otherwise, I see nothing wrong with the advertising of his products. In addition, I don't see the reasoning for pouncing on him as soon as he suggested the use of his own product. What was he supposed to do? Tell them to stick with Bob Long's boards? He's gotta make his cash too.

        Bringing me to my final point. I paid to be a beta tester of both the superbolt I and II, and was thoroughly pissed with the fact that I was really only refunded about 50% with the superbolt trade in for level 10 program. The adverse effects as a result of that POS, including losing twenty bucks plus the broken paint was terrible. At least Jim's product doesn't end up doing the opposite of what it should.

        I guess what I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with WAS's claims. The product is very nice from what I can tell, and the only reason for brining up the Superbolt issue is to show how while AGD can put out a product that didn't live up to its claims, they didn't get jumped on for the LX stuff. Give this guy some breathing room, stop acting ignorant. Don't jump on the guy with statements like "WAS at it again!" and completely bash his products. How do you know they don't perform like he says he does? And whats your problem with his advertising? He's not insulting you is he? Well then don't bother the guy.

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        • JEDI
          We beat pump players
          • Jan 2002
          • 1859

          #19
          WHO CARES...THEY WORK...GET OFF THE GUY'S BACK

          Now I know why The AGD box is so important to you guys. You care more about BS than the actual product.

          Bunch of babies! "I'm telling- He said his board can do 30bps!" Bla Bla Bla, whine whine whine."
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          • shartley
            paintball player
            • Mar 2001
            • 9169

            #20
            Originally posted by JEDI
            WHO CARES...THEY WORK...GET OFF THE GUY'S BACK

            Now I know why The AGD box is so important to you guys. You care more about BS than the actual product.

            Bunch of babies! "I'm telling- He said his board can do 30bps!" Bla Bla Bla, whine whine whine."

            (Insert stomping feet, kicking and rolling around on the floor.)

            Yeah, you are right, we are the babies. You sure showed us. You win.

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            • magman007
              I <3 my Penis
              • Jun 2001
              • 7579

              #21
              BUAHAHAHA good one sam, Jedi, get off our backs... we have caught him in lies again... and oh yea, the product didnt work the way it was supposed to.... that is whay the new version is out... dont you feel stupid?



              Originally posted by Tom in reffrence to a post saying he acted like my dad...
              "That's right!
              WHO'S YOUR DADDY!!"
              ALL QUIT AND NO GO!!! Team Icky Forest-Shatnerball 2003!!!
              www.tunamart.com
              DONT SUPPORT HYPOCRITICAL MISSLEAD YOUTH, BOYCOTT HK

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              • Automaggin2
                Registered User
                • Sep 2002
                • 2506

                #22
                WHY SHOULD WE LIKE WAS? Jim Drew coined himself "the rocket scientist of paintball", when in fact, Tom Kaye is. Look at all the problems and theorys and such he has come up with, look at what he has done. He sold the open v. closed bolt debate, he co-developed the first nitro systems, and he designs some very intresting products (ie. warp feed and rt)
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                • Rooster
                  Registered User
                  • Oct 2000
                  • 1069

                  #23
                  Jim Drew is only business becuase of marketing hype, with little to no proof to back up his claims.

                  And to those griping about super-bolts, I do seem to remember that everyone was warned, several times in fact, that the superbolts were a work in progress and if anyone's world was going to be crushed by their failure to preform, they shouldn't buy them. And then once they didn't everyone was given refunds or LX credit.

                  If you were disappointed the only person to blame is the one you see in the mirror.

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                  • JEDI
                    We beat pump players
                    • Jan 2002
                    • 1859

                    #24
                    Guys, I dont know what to say. I feel defeated. I guess you all have legit points. But I'm not ready to crucify WAS. I'm not a naive idiot, so I dont believe any ol' ludicrous claim someone puts out. For the time being It has no effect on me, and I do like the new WAS board.

                    Thanks for spending time with me, it was fun
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                    • manike
                      INCEPTIONDESIGNS.COM

                      • Jan 2001
                      • 3820

                      #25
                      Originally posted by SyntaxError
                      I guess what I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with WAS's claims
                      Yes there is. He lies, uses smoke and mirror techniques and tries to explain things making them as hard as possible to understand when in reality what he claims is impossible and just down right rubbish/fabrication. If you LIKE being lied to, then there isn't an issue. If you don't like being lied to or having people misled then there is an issue.

                      Originally posted by JEDI
                      This just seems like an unfair assessment from people who dont have facts and research to back it up.
                      This is the thing about WAS. He is a clever guy and uses it unfairly to baffle and boss people around. The trouble is he comes up against some of us that aren't a bunch of sheep and do have the facts and research to check out his claims. And when we do a 'fair assessment' we find him falling short, time and time again. The people that have this facts and research, call him on his lies, and the people that don't accept them. I'm glad I know which side of that group I am on. He is so full of rubbish which he uses to confuse those that don't understand that it's unreal.

                      He does make good stuff. I've said that all along, but I can't stand people lieing to me or my fellow ballers in order to make them buy something. If he just told the truth and didn't BS his stuff I would recommend his products. In fact I do recommend the WAS Equaliser board. I just tell people to be wary of him and his claims and his BS.

                      Originally posted by JEDI
                      Here's my main objective, that maybe some of you will agree on. Couldnt we just let this issue die until either a faulty product does come out, or something damaging is said.
                      We do. But everytime he lies to some new player who's money is better spent on paint and playing rather than his latest gadget which will make little difference for that guy, then you will see those of us who can call him, do so.

                      Originally posted by JEDI
                      Most of you agree that the WAS stuff IS good, so whats the problem? Bogus claims are made every day, but most of us can see past them.
                      The problem is that clearly most people can not see past the bogus claims. If you can, great. But many can not. I don't like seeing people lied to or ripped off. That's my issue.

                      manike
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                      • luke
                        lukescustoms.com

                        • Jan 2001
                        • 8211

                        #26
                        Bringing me to my final point. I paid to be a beta tester of both the superbolt I and II, and was thoroughly pissed with the fact that I was really only refunded about 50% with the superbolt trade in for level 10 program. The adverse effects as a result of that POS, including losing twenty bucks plus the broken paint was terrible. At least Jim's product doesn't end up doing the opposite of what it should.
                        I don't remember Tom saying you would be refunded any money if it was a flop......

                        I know on the level 10, being a beta tester simply meant you got a discount on the bolt. Tom never said there would be refunds if it didn't work.

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