Pan Am Las Vegas - Limited Paint Good/Bad?

[aaron_mag]

Pan Am Las Vegas is going on and it is a limited paint event. Personally I'd love to play in a limited paint tournament (local....too busy to travel or be gone for a long period of time).

Just curious what the consensus is on AO. Do you like the limited paint format (500 rounds for 10 man and 200 rounds for 5 man) or are you all for hauling around as much as you can shoot? Also do you see a big difference in play at the Pan Am events?

[ogre55]

I think that a limited paint format is great idea. It forces players to rely less on ROF and more on skill and accuracy. However, I may the exception on AO, rather than the rule, as I play stock class as often as I play open class.

Ogre

[Spaceman613]

limited paint GOOOOOOD

Cant wait to play a few of those formats. Right now I play rec and practices with a limited paint. I get tired of shooting 3-7 tubes in 5 mintes.

BUT limited paint wont be the norm. Lower paint sales, and paint sponsorships mean less. Sell less paint, make less money. And to make up for that lost money you might have to raise entry. Higher entry looks bad.

And some people are afraid to limite thier paint usage. I know a few locals that I doubt could ever shoot less than 3 pods a game. Even when they are playing against pumps.

[Curly]

For me it is a toss-up. It becomes much cheaper to play the limited paint tournaments. For 10 man it is about a hopper and two pod which is not too bad. You are also allowed to switch paint around between players. Thus a back player can steal a few pods from the guys up front. Our 10 man is most likely going to play the 10 man pan am circuit next year. The only problem is that many teams cheat the system, they will sneak paint onto the fields. there are various ways of doing this. You can drop pods in bunkers before the game. This is what Bob Long was RUMORED to be doing at the sacramento pan am event. The pan am needs to wise up and realize that using teams to ref events makes them very biased etc.

[Cliffio]

Originally posted by Spaceman613
And some people are afraid to limite thier paint usage. I know a few locals that I doubt could ever shoot less than 3 pods a game. Even when they are playing against pumps.

BOO, i know your talking about me:) anyways

i love you


Cliff

[ogre55]

That's a serious allegation Curly. I have always been of the opinion that unless hard evidence to a fact is shown to me, I let rumors alone.

However, if this were true, it would be a downright shame. I have looked on at the Pan Am Circuit as the NPPL's smaller, wiser and more civilized cousin. An alternative to the madness and cheating that goes on in the NPPL. I would hate to be proven wrong.

Ogre

[dre1919]

I would be all for limited paint tournaments, it would be just like the old days for me. I feel sometimes I've almost become a victim of my own evolution really, since when I started playing with splatmasters and pumps I could play for like twenty bucks a day. Now, ten years later, I don't get to play as much as I'd like because I shoot a lot more paint. Part of that is my playing style altering a bit, but mostly it's from vastly improved equipment and the luxury that affords me. I like shooting paint as much as the next guy, and I definitely believe in (and practice) skill over ROF, it would just be nicer if paint was cheaper. (Of course, I'm also an artist so I'm screwed on money.) Anyway, I think a limited paint tourney would give people a better chance to play more often without having to plan around getting two hundred bucks together for entry and case(s) of paint.

[Curly]

Originally posted by ogre55
That's a serious allegation Curly. I have always been of the opinion that unless hard evidence to a fact is shown to me, I let rumors alone.

Ok, it is true that i dont know this as a fact. But i have heard it from multiple people who claim to have seen it happen. I also have talked to many of the top pan am rookie and novice teams and i know that many of them sneak paint onto the field. I do not condone this but i will tell you that it is a problem. This is one reason i do not like the pan am. If you are not trying to cheat the system and you only take what you are allowed to take onto the field then you have an unfair advantage. I find this to be very wrong and messed up.

The pan am is also very well known for sandbagging. A certain rookie team (not gonna mention names) played the la pan am with at least three novs and i believe one am player. thus the other teams which were only allowed two novs had an unfair advantage.

[toymyster]

I like the PanAm format!! I think limmiting the paint is a great idea!! And yes, there are people who sneak extra paint onto the field. Friend of mine who played Am did it on a few occasions!! Is it right? Of course not! Are they trying to limit it?? Yes. Is it going to continue to happen? Unfotunately!! But overall, I think they have a good system going!!

[Crazy]

limited paint format is directed toward the hobos of paintball.

[Gijim]

Hobos of paintball...uuummm... well anyway back to reality, I like the limited paint idea. It values skill over spray and pray but there is a place for both and as already mentioned some paint dealers will never allow limited paint. We always play with limited paint so we don't get in the habit of shooting strings of 50 and exposing ourselves too long. Plus I dislike people camping in the back and hosing down the other side, its boring and lacks skill, sorry just my opinion.

[ogre55]

Originally posted by Curly


Ok, it is true that i dont know this as a fact. But i have heard it from multiple people who claim to have seen it happen. I also have talked to many of the top pan am rookie and novice teams and i know that many of them sneak paint onto the field. I do not condone this but i will tell you that it is a problem. This is one reason i do not like the pan am. If you are not trying to cheat the system and you only take what you are allowed to take onto the field then you have an unfair advantage. I find this to be very wrong and messed up.

The pan am is also very well known for sandbagging. A certain rookie team (not gonna mention names) played the la pan am with at least three novs and i believe one am player. thus the other teams which were only allowed two novs had an unfair advantage.

Sigh. My perceptions shattered. I was hoping the Pan Am was a more "clean" alternative, but with what I hear, I am not so sure anymore. I guess when $$ is on the line, no amount of personal honor wins out, for some people. Human nature wins out again.

The thing I don't get is how would a team sneak extra paint on the field before a game?

Ogre

[ogre55]

Originally posted by Crazy
limited paint format is directed toward the hobos of paintball.

Crazy, if that was meant as sarcastic, than it was and damn funny. If you were serious, or trying to start a flame war, which your sig seems to indicate, than do me a favor and stay off this board, you troll.

Ogre

[shartley]

[pito189]

Originally posted by shartley

Although a yeasty player might get more eliminations....:) hehe

Seriously though. This brings up the same argument pump vs semi. It is personal choice what you play pretty simple. I do agree with paint manufacturers probaly not allowing every tourney to go to the limited paint scheme. They wouldn't make the money they do today. Just like the Oil manufacturers not being bigs fans of alternative fuels. How will they make their money if people fill up with cooking grease from home instead of heading to the local Minute Mart.