too honest?

[Kevmaster]

yeh. we do no shooting on the break in practice...but thats only practice. in a 3 man tourny, we took 4 men. one cheated....i axed him(im the captina). next game...another cheated...he got ditched aswell...so it ended up as a 2v3 for the games...we started a man down...sad, but i dont tolerate it

[Badmovies.org]

If I get hit, then I want to get the heck off the field. I am "dead" and should not affect the game. Want to see a mad Marine? Cheat and let me catch you at it. Had one guy shoot me in the neck, by putting his gun against my neck and firing, after one such argument. He went to the hospital when the issue was settled.

Honestly, the game is about honor and good sportsmanship. When somebody gets me with a lucky shot, I am likely to yell, "Good shot!" as I stand up and put my barrel plug in.

Cheating well is no measure of a man, it is the measure of a worm.

[RamboPreacher]

Originally posted by Badmovies.org
[clip]Cheating well is no measure of a man, it is the measure of a worm.

hehehe - a dirt crawling, slithering, filthy worm at that.

[Sooky]

I believe the Russian Legion has a reputation for playing honestly.... you might want to use them as a model to follow. Just a suggestion.

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

Some of my teamates are really bent up on Strange. I really don't know if they're honest or not, but they've accomplished quite a bit.

Now i realize that everyone in here is going to pretty much say "No cheating". I couldn't agree more. I get a little out of hand sometimes cause i can really take 2-3 shots to the chest and not even feel them. I've been through several practices and have this occur. No doubt in my mind that if i were to do it in a tourny, i would have no problem with any kind of penalty they would enforce for doing so. Definitely something i've been working on and getting better at. My team captain has made it a rule that if he catches you cheating, you're off the team. One of the reasons why i'm with and like my team so much. I'm just worried because I really want to at least be a top amature team, if not pro. I know for a fact that we have the talent, we just lack the experience. I would really hate for us to come together and get sent back empty handed because those two people i keyed off the break slid on it and took out half the team.

I know i posted this once before but it still stands true here. "NPPL Rules" has got to be the biggest oxymoron that i've ever seen. What's the point of rules if they don't get enforced. They should have a clause "Except for teams that are popular and are cool with the refs".

[aaron_mag]

Off topic but someone mentioned getting shot off the break and wiping because you want to "play".

I've been to a couple local tournaments but I really don't have the time to take it too seriously (family, work, you know how it is...) Prior to playing paintball I thought it was a pretty lame activity. I mean I enjoyed sports with that were a true challenge (martial arts, lacrosse, football, etc.)

Then I played it and realized it was incredibly challenging. Like most moronic newbies that are used to physical sports I thought I could do things like outrun and dodge paintballs! I have a friend who was quite a track star in his day. I was smiling to myself as he explained his strategy of using his speed to dodge paintballs. Sure enough he was out on the break .

My point is that here is this wonderful sport that is extremely challenging. It is hard to avoid those stupid little paintballs. Lets not ruin it! If we ignore the basic rule of the game we are a joke. If I started wiping I think I would lose all interest in paintball altogether.

[awg9tech]

[FatMan]

unobvious hits

hitech,

under MY reading of the NPPL rules, the only hits that can qualify as non-obvious are those to the pack, gun, or sole of the shoe.

Possibly some glancing hits to the side of the mask.

Of course you hit the nail on the head - who is establishing that standard for the refs on the field?

FatMan

[hitech]

Maybe I'm missing something, but is there a penalty for playing after you are hit? Is is actually awarded? Watching recent videos of some tournaments suggests that there rarely is. However, I haven't been to any recent tournaments either.

[FatMan]

Originally posted by hitech
Maybe I'm missing something, but is there a penalty for playing after you are hit? Is is actually awarded? Watching recent videos of some tournaments suggests that there rarely is. However, I haven't been to any recent tournaments either.

Uh, yeah, at least in the NPPL rules there is quite a bit a verbage about "playing on" which is a penalty. There are rules about what is and what is not playing on, how freight-training and playing on are related and specific procedures for when and how a player must check for a hit. The penalty depends on whether the infraction affects the course of the game or not.

According to the rules, if ap player is hit anywhere that he can SEE or FEEL the hit or even somewhere he might not feel it, but the ref observed a reaction indicating he DID feel it, and the ball breaks, the player must immediately check the hit and if broken, call himself out. If he cannot check the hit, he must call the ref or a team-mate to check it (if no ref around) and they must do so immediately. Any delay in doing so is playing on a costs a 1-for-1.

If you'd like a more detailed reference in the rules I can get that for you (I ultimate from time to time, so I'm REAL up on the rules).

FatMan

[Me]

thats the thing about my local tourny the MAC in maine. everyone frowns apon wipping. i think you get kicked out if you wipe. its a tourny just for fun, and there are always great prizes

[hitech]

Originally posted by FatMan

According to the rules, if a player is hit anywhere that he can SEE or FEEL the hit or even somewhere he might not feel it, but the ref observed a reaction indicating he DID feel it, and the ball breaks, the player must immediately check the hit and if broken, call himself out. If he cannot check the hit, he must call the ref or a teammate to check it (if no ref around) and they must do so immediately. Any delay in doing so is playing on and costs a 1-for-1.
FatMan

I'll have to reread the NPPL rules. As I read it you could continue to shoot while having your teammate/ref check you. Another problem I see is that too much is left up to interpretation. I've also seen A LOT of playing on in the videos, and not much for penalties. BTW, do you think there is anything wrong with making the players responsible for ALL hits? If they shoot after being hit there is a penalty assessed? Thanks for the discussion. Even though I don't play tournaments anymore and am not likely to start, tournament rules is still one of my favorite subjects.

[dre1919]

Originally posted by hitech


But the problem is that is incorrect. You can be the better team that day, but if the other guys are effective at cheating, you lose. That is the problem. To combat cheating, you have to be BETTER just to be EVEN. The biggest problem is that the best solution is not in "your" direct control. Minimize the cheating.

That's not entirely true. I agree with what your saying, but just because somebody "won" didn't mean they actually "won". If my team goes out there and plays hard, and fair, and we leave with the feeling we won the tournament despite coming in behind a cheating team, then yes we "won". They won the battle by playing dirty, but we won the war by sticking to our morals and playing like champions. The scoreboard or record book may not reflect our effort because of the cheating, but we'd know...and anybody who watched would know too. Your right, most of the time you aren't in control...so until they find a way to completely eliminate cheating (doubt that'll happen) you can either play as hard and skillfully as you can and know how well you did even if you may have gotten cheated, or cheat yourself. Then, you really wouldn't be any kind of "winner".

[hitech]

Originally posted by dre1919
If my team goes out there and plays hard, and fair, and we leave with the feeling we won the tournament despite coming in behind a cheating team, then yes we "won"... The scoreboard or record book may not reflect our effort because of the cheating, but we'd know...and anybody who watched would know too.

Yes you would know. However, and I speak from experence, it's still not EVEN CLOSE to the same. There is a very hollow feeling if you are not declared the "winner".

However, I you would probably feel worse if you know you won by cheating. However, I don't know how that feels.

[Blazestorm]

I've talked to many pro/am/nov players and they admit they do wipe on occasion, for example "Mapp from Naughty Dogs" remarked "Ah common man we all know I f***ing wipe all da time!" at STP a few weekends ago... I didn't mind, I played on a hopper hit once not knowing it was gun hits, ref pulled me and I asked him why "hopper hit there buddy"

soo yah...