Punisher is the daddy

[Brak]

man stop being a jerk, he built a gun out of a solid block of aluminum, using his own ideas for the gun itself. are you saying you built a mag from a solid block of metal, and designed the internals? no, i dont think so

[shartley]

[cphilip]

Gee seems like people all the sudden want only verification and can't stand anything but. You post something up only to have someone fawn all over it. When it doesn't go your way you get personal.

And where in the world does it say if you have not done the same exact thing yourself you can't have an opinion on it? If that was the case you guys couldn't "like" it either.

Ov3mind, I am not slamming it. Just do not like it. You have not seen slamming from me dude. I do not dislike it enough to "slam" it.

Brak, calling someone a jerk for his particular tastes is cetainly being one. Shame on you for your lack of tolerance.


Fact is I just don't like it. I will probably not like it when he finishes it. I have never liked those stacked tubes like Bushy's and such and don't think he can ever get it to where I would like it.

I am indeed currently working on some stuff but not all of it will be from scratch nor as involved as he is getting in that one. But then again I realy could care less to receive your comments on them as I am doing them for me. Bound to be some that think they are ugly and thats fine with me. I could care less.

All of you who seem to think if you have not done the same you cannot have an oppionion probably have not done a darn thing either. It's interesting how upset you are getting about someone elses opinion. I think your insecurities and hostilies are misdirected. Not only has there been too much cursing and name calling because you are upset I do not like it but at some point its passed the state of normal. I suggest you get over it.

[Timmee]

The trigger frame was originally from the Joker (a stacked tube blowback marker). The body was from an extrusion that was originally slated to be a PGP rebody (IIRC). I can't wait to see how Punisher finishes this marker up.

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

OK You're all wrong!!!!

It looks like an epic.

[thei3ug]

You're missing the point of this:
The ram was a proof of concept based on discussions over a year ago at the Guild.

It has nothing to do with coming up with a new Shocker, Impulse, AutoWhatsit.

The discussion (with many accompanied images) was focused on a variable force ram that would not slow down cycle speed of an autococker, angel, impulse... anything that uses a ram to close a breech. You're right, similar in affect to a paintball to lvl 10.

But when you roll your eyes about the outside body, the design of the marker, or the fact that his "ability" as a paintball customizer has made this project unexceptional...

you've missed the point.

[cphilip]

No... you missed "MY" point. No matter how you package all the cool internal stuff I will not buy it because of "the looks". I am "shallow" that way. I hate it but I am. I cannot help it.

Another confession from me: I do not like the looks of a Mag without a site rail. Never have. I do not care what weight it adds I just cannot tolerate the looks without that site rail. And the only one without a seperate site rail I like is the new C&C X mag body and it has a sort of one milled into it. So I like it alright. But I do not like the looks of the non C&C at all. I would not buy one of them. No matter how cool the internals are.

But again all this is just me. You have a right to like what you want.

[wyn1370]

it's ok uncle phil, we still love ya (most of us anyway)

[cphilip]

Well it's just the way I am is all. However I know for a fact there are many more out there like me that cannot get passed the looks of some things. And are too ashamed of that fact to "tell it like it is". So what the heck! I am being honest about it... So sue me!

Wait!... don't!

[shartley]

[cphilip]

Yea! you got it! It's gotta have both. I can compromise but cannot give all of one thing up for all of the other. Thats it exactly Sam.

[Thordic]

Well I for one think its cool. It looks ok, but its a proto, I don't expect it to be milled and anno'd.

Phil, isn't AO supposed to be about innovation and the acceptance of new ideas and not holding to old stereotypes and such?

Here we are seeing a DIRECT result of AGD pushing paintball technology and it having an effect on the rest of paintball, and all you can say is its a POS? What happened to the acceptance of new ideas?

Also, I hardly think assembling a mag from parts is anywhere near equal to milling out your own body and assembling a never-before used duel-stage ram assembly and then wiring up electronics to control it all. Whether you do it for a living or not its still impressive.

I always liked the fact that AO promoted thinking outside the box, I'm a little dissapointed to see one of our moderators slamming new innovations.

[cphilip]

Open to new ideas? AO maybe Thord... and I not speaking for AO. I speaking for what Phil likes and doesn't like...

The concept of a two speed bolt/action etc. I like but I do not consider that exactly all new...I do admire they fact that he is doing it in a different marker. Never said I didn't. Problem I have is "Which" marker he chose to do it in. The package is not going to attract me is all.

If we were not open to new ideas, threads like this would not even be allowed on here. It's a testament to that fact that it even exists.

But not all of us can get past the glitter sometimes to look at the possibilities of the "guts". Unfortuately that is a intregal part of marketing too. "looks are important". Maybe too important? I dunno...I want both! :)

[cphilip]

When did I slam the "innovations" of it?

And when did Moderators give up their rights to have opinions on such as this?

On your two complete points in your post you are in error. I am a little disappointed to see members not read the whole post and take something totaly out of context...and to wish to impose gag orders on Moderators as to what they like and do not like.

[Thordic]

For one, as a moderator you represent AO, whether you like it or not. If you went into another forum and started wreaking havoc, it would come back to look poorly not just on yourself but on this site as well. If a member of lesser standing did that, it wouldn't quite reflect back the same.

As for slamming the innovation, the proto is innovative, and you belittled the proto.