New Trigger: Manual and Electro only. No Hybrid.

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  • manike
    INCEPTIONDESIGNS.COM

    • Jan 2001
    • 3820

    #1

    New Trigger: Manual and Electro only. No Hybrid.

    Hey All,

    Further to some discussions a while back about what tourny players want in a trigger I came up with a new design of trigger system. It's a drop in replacement for the stock trigger which CAN allow you to have ONLY electronic mode and manual. In this prototype the trigger is still adjustable for firing point but not for travel (you can adjust the magnet).

    With another replacement part (or modification to stock part) for the trigger system we could make the trigger travel adjustable and be able to tune in hybrid mode if people want it... I think I still need to make a prototype to prove that to myself but I am fairly sure. So you could have electro, manual, or hybrid all off the selector switch WITHOUT having to turn your gun on or off or mess with any other switch...

    This version in the photo's is a prototype (codenamed 'TT' for obvious reasons, to me anyway) and will look a bit different (read better ) when in production and has my design version of what I call 'speed bumps' This allows the same thing as Odyssey's trigger where you can rub your finger over the humps up and down to get the gun to fire... only I have two bumps... = two shots on way down and two shots on way up if done just right. I can max out pretty much any ROF I want to this way (I've done versions with more bumps also). The really clever thing about how Chris from Odyssey fires his gun is the way he holds it to fire it, with his finger pointing back towards himself. But you need long fingers and it's not that comfortable for me personally.

    With mine you can hold it normally and due to intentionally built in slop run your finger up and down along the guard (I've also built them with guide bars or trigger guards... ) to get the firing action easily.

    The trigger is very heavily radiused and polished smooth for ease of firing. It's actually also designed to be fast for the conventional type of firing by walking the trigger by easily letting your finger slide off the side.

    If you don't want the 'TT'(tm) version with 'speed bumps' (tm) I will look to do other designs, I have a 3 bump design, as well as a semi blade version with one very smoothly radiused speed bump in the middle.

    Oh and I am also looking to make it so that you can have a spring return for those that want the pull to get heavier as you pull and not lighter as with the current magnet set up. In fact you can make it have a snap release due to the magnets, a weak pull over the firing point and then heavier return with the spring... (how perfect is that? ) This prototype also has an extra adjustable magnet location where I was looking at using magnets to return the trigger, but this would require a frame mod or bolt on piece which I am not too happy with at the moment.

    It won't be cheap as there are several machining operations and set ups required to make this. But considering all the features stated (how did I get so many into one trigger I hear you ask ?!?!? ) I think it will be value.

    Disclaimer, this is not anything to do with AGD. You can not call them up and order it from them (this was a mistake made in a previous post on Sunday which subsequently got deleted). It is something which I, with the help of some others are looking to get produced somehow .



    Ok here's the pics...



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  • Mr Pink
    DXS Entity
    • Aug 2002
    • 205

    #2
    So when are you going to let me have a go? Pinki's mag must own all

    P.s I love the Manike Mag body - Picked a colour yet?
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    • manike
      INCEPTIONDESIGNS.COM

      • Jan 2001
      • 3820

      #3
      On Further testing.

      OH YES!

      I now have a gun which I can select manual, electronic and then hybrid mode just via the selector

      With the use of tools. I can make it just manual and electronic

      Perfect!

      Anything else you guys want while I am at it? Fission in a test tube anyone? hehehe
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      • Remington
        AGD E-mag Faithful
        • Aug 2002
        • 1671

        #4
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        • Mr Pink
          DXS Entity
          • Aug 2002
          • 205

          #5
          I'll take Cold Fusion if you've got some lying around.
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          PRO CAPS,
          DraXXuS paintballs,
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          MATRIX,
          GENERATION E,
          PURE RUSH PAINTBALL,
          EVO II

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          • Load SM5
            Scruffy Administrator

            • Oct 2000
            • 6772

            #6
            Good God, Manike, you've been busy. Looks really nice. I'm definately interested in trying a trigger or 2 of your's out.


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            • RamboPreacher
              Player, not a Pro
              • Oct 2002
              • 1084

              #7
              Re: On Further testing.

              Originally posted by manike
              OH YES!

              I now have a gun which I can select manual, electronic and then hybrid mode just via the selector

              With the use of tools. I can make it just manual and electronic

              Perfect!

              Anything else you guys want while I am at it? Fission in a test tube anyone? hehehe
              i want some fission in a test tube, please. do you use deuterium? what weight? (http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowb093.gif)

              anyway, back to the trigger... will the three-way select have a hybrid lockout? and will it work on my blade trigger?
              Thanks, Brent "RamboPreacher" Hoefling, CPPA founder

              Here is my user feedback thread. and my online jottings

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              • cphilip
                Former Moderator

                • Jun 2026
                • 16216

                #8
                Who was the Model used for the Double TaTa's on that thing Simon?


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                • manike
                  INCEPTIONDESIGNS.COM

                  • Jan 2001
                  • 3820

                  #9
                  Re: Re: On Further testing.

                  Originally posted by RamboPreacher
                  anyway, back to the trigger... will the three-way select have a hybrid lockout? and will it work on my blade trigger?
                  I need to fine tune how it works, and actually I have several options on how to choose what you get from it.

                  Currently you lockout the hybrid mode by rotating around where the selector switch sits on the selector barrel But this requires a mod to the selector and to the barrel.

                  I believe I can do it by just a mod to the barrel so the stock selector is fine.

                  If you just want to be able to use manual or electro then I can do it purely via a new trigger. Which is a straight swap in with no mods.

                  If you want you can tune that combo to be hybrid and manual (not sure if that's wanted).

                  It will not work with your current blade design as part of the design is integral to the trigger. We would offer blade style triggers though. I tried a way so that only the selector barrel needed to be replaced (so any trigger can be used) but it doesn't seem to be viable.

                  manike
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                  • manike
                    INCEPTIONDESIGNS.COM

                    • Jan 2001
                    • 3820

                    #10
                    Originally posted by cphilip
                    Who was the Model used for the Double TaTa's on that thing Simon?
                    I was betting you would get it first

                    If you could see the magnet adjustment screws you would see the resemblance even more.
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                    • JEDI
                      We beat pump players
                      • Jan 2002
                      • 1859

                      #11
                      Re: On Further testing.

                      Originally posted by manike
                      OH YES!

                      I now have a gun which I can select manual, electronic and then hybrid mode just via the selector

                      With the use of tools. I can make it just manual and electronic

                      Perfect!

                      Anything else you guys want while I am at it? Fission in a test tube anyone? hehehe
                      Manike, can you briefly go into how you get all three modes with just the selector switch. Is it Xmag specific, or can I accomplish this with my Emag?

                      Sorry, I type slow, did you just explain it? I'm a little confused.
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                      • manike
                        INCEPTIONDESIGNS.COM

                        • Jan 2001
                        • 3820

                        #12
                        Re: Re: On Further testing.

                        Originally posted by JEDI
                        Manike, can you briefly go into how you get all three modes with just the selector switch.
                        Sorry but not in detail until I find a way to see if it's possible to make them for everyone. Don't want someone ripping off my design and selling them first

                        It's another one of those 'doh thats so simple why didn't I think of it'

                        It should be able to work on ANY E-mag at all, even your pink girly one
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                        • Dayspring
                          aka- The Day Wang

                          • May 2001
                          • 9664

                          #13
                          Not everybody can have a sexy marker like you... But you're right- at least it's not pink...

                          Nice work Manike!

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                          • JEDI
                            We beat pump players
                            • Jan 2002
                            • 1859

                            #14
                            Re: Re: Re: On Further testing.

                            Originally posted by manike


                            Sorry but not in detail until I find a way to see if it's possible to make them for everyone. Don't want someone ripping off my design and selling them first

                            It's another one of those 'doh thats so simple why didn't I think of it'

                            It should be able to work on ANY E-mag at all, even your pink girly one
                            Oh sure, thats fair enough. I didnt realize you hadnt fully finished it. Keep us posted. Pink and girly? From you I deserve that
                            Dayspring- Keep it to your self. My ACID RED Emag is gonna hand you a little friendly *****-slapping next time us PBX'ers get together.
                            WE ARE DEADCELL, AND WE WILL RUN THROUGH YOU

                            Dayspring - "We've had Clare at Shatnerball." "I'm confident that she can take 20 guys."

                            "I'd trade my cocker for some steady pu**y"

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                            • Dayspring
                              aka- The Day Wang

                              • May 2001
                              • 9664

                              #15
                              [Thread Hijack]
                              Funny. We ALSO have an Acid Red Emag on our team... and a total of 6 Emags (One SFL- 5 regulars).

                              In other words- BRING IT. (Speaking of which- you going to the dinner on Friday?)
                              [/Thread Hijack]

                              Originally posted by JEDI


                              Oh sure, thats fair enough. I didnt realize you hadnt fully finished it. Keep us posted. Pink and girly? From you I deserve that
                              Dayspring- Keep it to your self. My ACID RED Emag is gonna hand you a little friendly *****-slapping next time us PBX'ers get together.

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