Can a classic mag ever be a tourny gun?

[hitech]

Originally posted by Trigger_Happy
Ok...here's a question, does CO2 support the fire power of a hyperframe?

Not really. You can easily freeze up the orings. I did it when testing because I was out of air and hooked up a CO2 bottle just to test with.

If you are getting hit when you move then it has NOTHING to do with the marker.

If you are being forced to tuck in behind the bunker to soon, then you probably need to work on your ability to hit you target. You might also consider a warp. I can "hang out" WAY longer since I got one.

If you want a higher ROF and CO2, get a hyperframe. Just don't shoot fast with CO2.

[Evil Bob]

A few comments:

1) Your Marker is only a small part of the equation, but an important part. If your marker does not perform properly or cannot sustain a rate of fire you are happy with, chops, burps, etc., it directly impacts how you perform as it limits when and how you can fire. High end markers with high rates of fire allow a player to play without the above listed hardware limitations, it should fire when you pull the trigger and as fast as you pull the trigger. The rest of the equation is you and how your team plays.

2) Teamwork is just that, your team working together toward a common goal, this requires communication to be successful, situation awarness at all times is so vital, every team member on the field should know precisely what is going on at any time, they should know where all the bad guys are, this happen solely through communication.

3) Practice! Practice! Practice! A team that works together alot knows how each and every member will perform in any given situation, this only comes from experience together, and the best way to get that experience is to start practicing ALOT! Practice communicating enemy positions, practice cover fire and protecting a runner, practice snapshooting on each other so you learn how to expose as little as possible to the other team. There is so much work you can do before going to a tournament that will greatly improve your tourney game.

4) Relax. Sure you're going to lose some games, get used to it, even the best teams give up a few games now and then through bad luck, poor reffing/bad calls, or just plain having a bad day/the other team having a great day. Don't let it get you down, losing now and then is part of life, it shows you your weaknesses that you and your team must work on to improve your game.

5) Don't expect to lose! Be ready to accept defeat when the game is over, but don't plan on losing in the first place. If you go into a game with a defeatist attitude, you've already lost before the game has even started. Even against top pro teams, go in with a positive attitude and do your best. There is nothing cooler then laying the smack on a pro player you recognize in magazines, being able to say "Yeah, I've shot him out" as you're flipping through your favorite paintball magazine is very cool. It's even cooler when you do it several times in the same tourney and he starts sicking his teammates on you from the getgo. Just like all those basketball teams in the olympics, they knew that they were going to get their butts kicked by the Dream Team, it was inevitable, but most went in with pride in their country and put in the best effort. Imagine what it would be like to be able to brag about scoring even a single basket against the best of the best. "Oh yeah, I beat Jordan to the basket, totally owned him on that one."

6) Act like a professional! By this I don't mean act like an idiot or a primadonna and cheat your way to the top, what I mean is act like you are a professional sports personality, like Michael Jordan for basketball, have some dignity, act mature, cool, and focused. People with attitudes and foul mouths do nothing positive for our sport, they just come off as looking like idiots. Even if you lose a game, as long as you look good and act well, and do your best, people will remember you, especially those looking to recruit for new spots on their team. You do your bit, play well, act mature, and show potential, you will get offers to join pro teams you play against.

-Evil Bob

[TheTramp]

Re: Back Player

Originally posted by Cyberious
You probably answered your own question. Even though it seems like a lazy position having a good back player even in rec ball is pretty important. I've been in paintball long enough to have moved from being a front player to mid to back. So I can tell you the difference. From the way you talk it sounds like the back player was playing his own game and not supporting his team mates

Cyberious makes a very good point here. As a front player it is not, for the most part, your job to "keep people down." Your back player should be doing that. Your job is to snap shoot and move. In the end, a front player could really have any gun as long as it worked every time you tried to fire it (of course all players like this).

[yeahthatsme]

you say you cant get air fills and yet you complain of getting gunned down by angels which have to have compressed air... maybe you should get a retro valve for when you CAN get air fills..

[tobz]

My $.02

First off, everyone that's giving you advice agree on some certain key points:

Your back player was not doing his job.

That's pretty much it!

As for your gun goes, if you must run CO2, you can get your mag to work and spit out high ROF w/o freezing I believe. I'm not sure what your playing style is, but if you use a remote that has a vertical tank, an expansion chamber coming off of the tank, to your gun (preferably a gas thru stock), as well as another expansion chamber on your gun, THEN a palmers stabilizer then run that into your valve, you can get very good results I recommend getting your gun "tuned" for CO2 or purchase a large fill station or scuba tank for your gun and get compressed air. Like I said, just my two cents.

tobz

[Trigger_Happy]

Evil Bob......I hope, and I hope very hard that you copied and pasted that from an article somewhere! If not, go find somebody to turn it into an article because spending that much time writing to me is not cool

Cyberious- I think you are very right. I think you pinpointed what seemed "off". I'm used to having two streams of paint on my man, and instead, there was only my own. That explains a lot to me! It just seemed like I was pulling the trigger SOOOOOO slow and very little paint was flying towards him!

hitech- My accuracy was fine! My ROF seemed so much slower, though. When I have my opponent and his back guy against me and me alone, I get taken out.

hitech- yeah

yeahthatsme- Do you think I have $300 that I'm willing to let sit around for great lengths of time? A $200 RT, and $100 tank would be getting used only during tournament play, or on the occasion that I head up to SYO or splattball! That's nuts! I might as well buy a nice impy and use it for its trigger speed during tournament play

tobz- I HATE REMOTES! I own one for the occasional time my mag refuses to work otherwise, but....bleh I had my old mag setup almost that same way besides the remote, though!

[Evil Bob]

Nope, that was all from the heart and my 21 years of experience playing paintball, I've been in your shoes before and know what it feels like.

I had considered submitting articles to APG many years ago but always ended up with doing something else more important at the time. Now that I have a job that gives me 8+ hours goofing off on the net a day, I may reconsider.

-Evil Bob

[Ultimator]

There's an idea! Impulses run great on C02. The Max-flo is one of only 2 regs that work great with co2, the other being a palmer stabilizer.

[covadsucks]

-One thing you never mentioned, was this a five man tourney or three man? You never really gave us the big picture of what really happened. Your back player may have been covering someone else's moves while you attempted to "cowboy" on your own, and from what it sounds like, you did just that.
-Simply because you couldn't put someone's head down and keep it down doesn't mean it's the marker's inability to do so, it just means you need to work on your trigger speed. Dodging paint is also somewhat frowned upon, simply because the more you hang out there and try to "trade" the more other people see this and take note of it and look for it when playing against you.
-Were you getting bunkered or just shot out? Did your other teammates attempt to leapfrog with success? There are so many other factors involved, it may be that you felt you were being singled out but maybe it was just that instead of tucking in and letting your back player do some work, you got anxious and needlessly tried to take a bad bunker.

I am not trying to attack you and I do apologize if it seems like I am, but as a back player I make sure to try to get as much feedback from front players so I can be more effective on the field and to keep them alive longer.