What happened to the 16bps industry cap?

[Scootyd]

While reading last night I came across an article snippet for alkamp anouncing that they are releasing new software that will allow over 16bps and allow users to change dwell etc.

Then I come across the e-orracle add that says capable of 16+ bps without chopping.

Has the industry given up on the cap?

Will we get upgrades to open up our mags?

With hybrid mode 13bps is easily reachable and 16 probably isn't that far away when I get used to the gun. Will that be the limit forever?

[LaW]

does it really matter?

[Scootyd]

It matters when my local field is overrun with Angels and Cockers. I have the need to prove that mags are the real deal.

[Blazingace]

I was actually wondering about that myself. I have an E-mag that is capable of 30+ BPS and the silly thing is capped at 16????

[LaW]

And what are the chances of someone being able to hold down 16bps at a constant rate? Yeah pretty slim.....

[Evil Bob]

Law, almost all of the electro manufacturers offer a full auto option or user programmable modes that will allow you to setup full auto, where it is quite easy to attain and sustain rates of fire above 16bps.

This is the reason why Tom went and created the full auto high rate of fire videos to show how destructive high rate of fire can be, just watch him tearing through ManCow's lacky's shirt, he shreds it.

It seems that none of the manufacturers are holding to the agreement, even Tom has given up since all the competitors offer full auto and RoF's above 16bps.

I'm just waiting for the day that the insurance companies call it quits and force a limit on the manufacturers or refuse to allow fields to allow their use, it's only a matter of time.

-Evil Bob

[Matt Crawford]

if you got an emag, and really want the higher bbs, just get an emagnum board...When mine get to me in the next week or so I'm just gonna set it at around 25bps...I'll never get to it, but its just cool to have and show off to people off the field what your gun can do...

[Dayspring]

Fields already ban full-auto. At least most of the good ones do.

And Tom hasn't given up. None of his guns come with a F/A option. They are all semi auto. If you can pull fast enough, then fine, but it's still one pull/one ball. THAT's the safety issue...

One ball on an accidental trigger pull versus MANY balls on an accidental pull.

Originally posted by Evil Bob
Law, almost all of the electro manufacturers offer a full auto option or user programmable modes that will allow you to setup full auto, where it is quite easy to attain and sustain rates of fire above 16bps.

This is the reason why Tom went and created the full auto high rate of fire videos to show how destructive high rate of fire can be, just watch him tearing through ManCow's lacky's shirt, he shreds it.

It seems that none of the manufacturers are holding to the agreement, even Tom has given up since all the competitors offer full auto and RoF's above 16bps.

I'm just waiting for the day that the insurance companies call it quits and force a limit on the manufacturers or refuse to allow fields to allow their use, it's only a matter of time.

-Evil Bob

[Scootyd]

Law has a very real point, however that isn't my real intention.

There was a percieved industry standard that we are watching be abandoned.

I can see the ill argument of mags are blenders being replaced with mags are capped at only 16bps.

I agree with law that the whole argument is sensless but I believe that most marketing information is sensless fluff dealt out to the sensless masses.

My local field is down to only 3 regulars who are mag users. We know that we have a good product but are always being handed the sensless fluff as gospel that we are wrong and stupid for not following the pack.

I have been working on my new micro-e through the winter with a mission in mind this summer. I do believe practical intellegence will probably not change the masses but I hope to make them question the information they work with.

[LaW]

Since fullauto is not allowed at fields in the first place the argument is still pointless. Have fun shooting this one out

[dansim]

why should we stay at 16 when everyone else is going beyond it?

[Evil Bob]

You're correct, most reputable fields disallow the use of full auto, but how do you check to see if someone is using full auto or not?

In this day and age, it's difficult to tell who's using it and who isn't. This is where user programability creates serious issues. It is possible to program a mode that appears to be semi auto ("look ref, it says "Semi Auto") until a certain number of trigger pulls are registered, at which point the user can pull the trigger at any rate they want (just go through the motions) and the marker will spray at a rediculas rate of fire. Then if the marker isn't fired for a given ammount of time, it drops back to semi auto. This setup prevents easy detection by the refs checking the marker and the chrono teams.

This type of setup I have seen personally both on rec fields and in local and international tournies, and all of those locations where full auto was clearly banned.

Yes, Tom did give up, he's gone beyond the 16bps cap, look at the XMag with the ACE on and tell me where it's capped at. Very true that he does not offer full auto anymore, nor does he allow the end user to mess around with the programming anymore, but he's not going to lose business to the "Hey, don't buy a mag, everyone knows they don't shoot fast enough" crowd either.

This is not a pointless discussion, it's a real issue right now.

-Evil Bob

[Wc Keep]

i say they just get rid of electronic triggers. jk. but anything over 16 bps is mighty dangerous. imagine someone getting lit up with that for 2 seconds.

[cphilip]

A "Gentelmans" agreement is only as good as the Gentelmen agreeing to it...

[kenshinkandon]

If you wnat the option of full auto on an emag buy an emagnum board for your marker it will allow you to shoot full auto and all the modes of fire you could want.


If you look at alot of newer markers that are coming alot of them do not have full auto, a couple of them are

IR3
Matrix
Intimidator (I think)

I think in the future you'll see more manufacturs removing full auto from there equipment because it's dangerous and little to no one uses it.