i know it's old....but......Automag doubts

[slayer]

Originally posted by slayer:
If you can fix both then here is the real simple answer. Go play with both, they are both good guns and come back and tell us which one you like. If you don't care after trying them then buy whatever is cheaper?

Also what did the cocker owners say?


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[Zumina]

Army - Your brother has poor choice in cars, and he probably beat them to hell on the side. Chrysler's quality control has been, and still is, atrocious. I've seen brand new Neons, 300Ms, Rams have all sorts of transmission and engine problems at less than 10,000 miles. To say your Ranger is a better vehicle is a joke. I've seen more of those in junkyards than any other vehicle. However, cars, like paintball guns, cannot be generalized. I've seen 95' stock cockers that have owned by some less that mechanically astute fellow that never let them down. On the other hand I've seen numerous mags the leak, chop/break paint, sputter, and shoot down straight out of the box. Oh, and as far as being able to shoot 26bps with no shoot down, show me an air supply that can keep up at that rate of fire.

[Zumina]

hey Ragnorak, if you "already know everything there is to know" why are you asking us what kind of gun you shoud buy? You should know by know that any topice concerning Mag vs. Cocker is only going result in a bitter arguement. Too many egos at stake....

[C�borg]

Cockers and Mags are both great reliable guns. To me the biggest differences in the way they feel, is the trigger, and looks, I happen to think cockers look better, but then I have seen some really nice mags before too (check the pictures section on this site) If you want upgrades, go with a cocker, if you want to just play and not worry about anything else, go for a mag.

Interesting side note, did you know that the Dodge Vipers hood alone costs $12500? I could get a new neon for that! And did you also know that the PT cruiser is built on a Neon frame? And the reason the old chevy your brother had got such horrible milage and bad tire wear is because it wasn't fuel injected, or if it happend to be fuel injected it was back in the early days of fuel injection when they were still learning things (that's why cars from the 80's suck), and I'm guessing it was avery heavy truck, most trucks from the 70's were. As for the company that put's the most effort into quality, go see Toyota.

My rant is done.

[keebler]

ok here is the deal. you either have to sit down and talk with an airsmith or a cocker tech just to be able to fix your gun if it breaks. they are very complicated and confusing if you dont know what you are doing. most problems are timing related, but it is a pain in the arse to learn how to precisely time the gun. if it is just a little off it will shoot funny and not work right, making it missfire and make farting sounds. if you play alot of paintball with freinds in a private woods, good luck. what happens when the cocker goes down and you have no idea on how to adjust the thing? you are out of luck for the day. so many things can go wrong with the gun. me and my friends got together and played, i didnt even play with my cocker the whole day, my bolt was upside down and i couldn't figure out what was wrong. just little things can make it go wrong.

i am not basing this on a one time expirience either. i owned three cocker so far (thinking i had a lemon each time so another one should work better), my 3 freinds all owned cockers too.

every time i played i had to miss the first game cause timing problems when i tried to chrono. i swear i didnt touch any adjustments from the last time i played, and guess what, it came out of time. my other friends all have to get their cockers retimed almost every time they play. the regulator on the pnumatics broke on one of their cockers and he had to send it in to worr games, the other kids cocking rod kept unscrewing during the game, making it misfire and causing nonstop chopping. so he used lock tite and made it stay. two weeks later he chronoed in at 220fps and he couldn't get out the cocking rod cause of it so he played all day like that. the stock trigger frames are so weak it is funny. you can hold your tank and move it back and forth and watch the frame flex back and forth (unlike the stock agd frames which are pretty strong). you have to get your gun retimed every time you get an upgrade for your pnumatics or trigger system (caused me to miss more games).

now cockers just dont seem worth it to me unless you take a tech class on them and get cocker certified or something. usualy if something breaks on a mag you will find the replacement part in the parts kit. everybody says cockers problems are with timing and they realy are. but what gets to me is the fact that if they go wack during a game and come out of time, when you shoot you will most likely chop a ball from it not cocking all the way back and shooting funny.

just go for a mag or another simpler tournamnet gun. not a cocker. if you know alot about the gun and know how to time it, then by all means get one, a properly timed cocker shoots great, but when they go bad, they go bad. mags are great, gas them up and shoot, play the whole day. a cocker you got to gas it up, go through the anoying timing process with the cocking rod (you have to take it out to adjust the volocity). no timing or anything on a mag.

or get a bushmaster, defiant, impulse, shocker, angel, or just anything that is good and simple. trust me, if you get a cocker and you know nothing about them, you will be sorry when your timing goes wack and nobody where you play can time the gun. or you play at a friends house and it goes down and you cant fix it. it is a bummer.

anyways just try them and go with what you like.

[Arturus]

"hey Ragnorak, if you "already know everything there is to know" why are you asking us what kind of gun you shoud buy? You should know by know that any topice concerning Mag vs. Cocker is only going result in a bitter arguement. Too many egos at stake.... " - SUN WARRIOR

Nice point SUN WARRIOR.

Ragnarok - Uh... Actually most of the so called 'arguments' you mentioned weren't even that. No one really lost their temper over this thread or even got close to doing so (at least I hope not). Overall I think if you really read the posts it was a 'thread hoping' not to turn into a mag vs cocker debate. Rather one where the members of this forum tried to be reasonable and fair in their assessments. Even when we picked on SUN WARRIOR for his little elves. *grins*

With the exception of few, if you haven't noticed most in this forum well... Don't care about Mag vs Cocker debates? I mean yeah, we can joke about how much cockers 'suck' and how much more reliable mags are, but in the end.. I think I can speak for the forum and say we can care less? You did want our opinions right?

I'm sure in the cocker/other forums you're getting great ones to further their points of view... Which is one of the reasons why many of us makes this forum our home and not those others. *grins*

Then again someone can always respond to this thread the way you want them to and more power to ya.

Like I said in my earlier posts if you're knowledgeable as you say you are; you've probably heard every argument and debate there is to about why 'mags over cockers' and vice versa. Kind of makes the thread pointless, unless your intentions were to help a newer player out into the world of cockers vs mags.


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[This message has been edited by Arturus (edited 08-29-2001).]

[Army]

Rangers are best, so poo

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